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181-TNG Radio – Nancy West 7-3-10

Friday, July 2nd, 2010

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Nancy West

Marketing and Outreach Specialist, Housing and Urban Development (HUD)

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This week Bruce is joined by Nancy West. Nancy is a marketing and outreach specialist for the Department of Housing and Urban Development. She has been working in the mortgage industry since 1977. Nancy joined HUD in 2004, and in 2006 she accepted one of four nationwide marketing and outreach specialist positions.

Non-profit organizations have a special access to a specific list of REO properties. To be considered a non-profit organization, you must be a 501C3 classified company under the IRS. All the requirements for meeting this classification are listed at www.HUD.gov

There is also a special list of REO properties for police officers, firefighters, paramedics and school teacher. These people have the opportunity to buy a HUD REO for 50 percent of the sale value. They are required to occupy the property for 3 years. After those first 3 years, their home value is officially decreased by 50 percent. The difficulty with this program is that these people are restricted to buying in revitalization areas. Right now, there are not many revitalization areas.

Cities and Counties individually determine what they want to do with NSP money. Some cities are acquiring REOs, rehabbing them and reselling them, and others are acquiring REOs and turning them into rental opportunities.

The FBI released a report on Friday about the amount of fraud they are seeing. California, Nevada, Florida, New York and Michigan are experiencing the highest fraud rates, and those states are also experiencing the largest number of foreclosures. Nancy is not sure if these foreclosures are primarily due to consumers, loan officers or realtors. She believes that fraud was committed by many groups, and that no specific group is significantly more responsible than the other.

Loan modification programs are now open to be qualified for. To qualify for loan modification, people are now trying to commit fraud on their modification application. The problem with this strategy is that if they make their financial statement look too poor, they may not qualify for a modification. Bruce knows someone who was recently denied a loan modification due to the fact that they had the ability to make their payments, and then chose to strategically default.

The mission of HUD is to provide a decent, safe, and sanitary home, and a suitable living environment for every American. When Bruce read this, he realized that the word “ownership” was not included in HUD’s mission statement. This made him feel that HUD is now broadening their scope to include the chance that the number of renters may increase in the future. Nancy claims that HUD and FHA has not changed their mission statement. HUD’s mission is to strengthen and provide homeownership and rental properties to the under-served, first time buyers, minorities and elderly. HUD does this in a variety of ways, including Section 8 housing vouchers. FHA wants to specifically promote homeownership to those same people. FHA offers home retention opportunities through the reverse mortgage program. The mission has not changed, it has simply refocused.

HUD has a few programs that most people are not aware of. Individuals who rent in Section 8 single-family dwellings are typically very successful. Many of them eventually leave the program and become home owners. Also, FHA has the Disaster Relief Mortgage Program which many people are not aware of. This program allows people to obtain a mortgage with no down payment if their home was destroyed in a natural disaster. As soon as a disaster area is declared, FHA issues a notice to lenders that a moratorium has been placed on foreclosure action. Also, HUD sends staff to assist homeowners in disaster areas.

If a consumer wants to qualify for a Section 8 rental subsidy, they must apply at their local housing authority. The housing authority will go over the qualifications with them, and see what properties are available.

Right now, the government has helped make the housing industry more fluid. When the problem first developed, lenders were still interested in lending, not collecting. They did not have the correct staff to deal with the problem. Many people who could not get a modification 3 months ago can get it now. This is because of new programs through Making Homes Affordable program and TARP programs.

FHA has always had a modification program. FHA requires lenders to provide loss mitigation help when borrowers fall 30 days delinquent. FHA also has a forbearance option and a partial claim. HAMP is also a tool that FHA can use. FHA can perform short sales with incentives, and deeds in lieu of foreclosure. There is currently no time benefit for people who take the deed-in-lieu path rather than foreclosure. However, their credit score will not be affected in the same way.

Individuals who simply cannot afford a mortgage will not be eligible for a loan modification. For example, some borrowers would require an 80 percent reduction in their loan balance to be able to afford the mortgage. This is not possible.

Non-owner occupants are currently not eligible for loan modification.

TARP’s funds are currently being used for modifications, not HUD’s. HUD is not currently able to make loans to solve lender problems. However, this kind of loan may be considered in the future.

There was once a program which allowed lenders to get 90 percent of the value of a property from a HUD loan to keep a homeowner in their property. That was either the Hope for Homeowners Program or the FHA Secure Program. When this program first developed, lenders were too optimistic about how many of the deals they would be able to fix with it. It took a lot of time before they realized that this program would not be as successful as they had hoped.

TARP funds can be used to modify principle loan balances, but FHA does not have a program for this yet.

There are some 100 dollar down payment programs for HUD REOs. These programs cannot be used in all areas. Currently all areas have a 100 dollar down payment program for owner occupants. If someone is acquiring a property using FHA financing, they have to pay for the difference between the list price and what they bid, and then another $100. The highest offer will not always win on a HUD property. What ultimately determines whether or not you will win a HUD bid is whether or not your offer will net the most profit.

HUD once had a program for veterans which included no down payment, but when the Housing and Economic Recovery Act was passed in 2008, veterans were required to put down 3.5 percent.

HUD is also in the development business. There are HUD projects that win awards. The mission of Secretary Donovan is to build these residences in an environmentally friendly way.

A new HUD plan has been formulated for 2015 which will make HUD less bureaucratic and more fluid. This will allow them to pay more attention to people in charge of departments. The first goal is to stem the foreclosure crisis. HUD needs to meet the need for quality, affordable rental homes. HUD wants to utilize housing as a platform for improving the quality of life. Home ownership is still a good opportunity. Housing provides wealth in the future by building equity. HUD wants to build inclusive and sustainable communities free of discrimination.

For more information about The Norris Group’s California hard money loans or our California Trust Deed investments, visit the website or call our office at 951-780-5856 for more information. For upcoming California real estate investor training and events, visit The Norris Group website and our California investor calendar. You’ll also find our award-winning real estate radio show on KTIE 590am at 6pm on Saturdays or you can listen to over 170 podcasts in our free investor radio archive..

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180-TNG Radio – Nancy West 6-26-10

Friday, June 25th, 2010

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Nancy West

Marketing and Outreach Specialist, Housing and Urban Development (HUD)

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This week Bruce is joined by Nancy West. Nancy is a marketing and outreach specialist for the Department of Housing and Urban Development. She has been working in the mortgage industry since 1977. Nancy joined in 2004, and in 2006 she accepted one of four nationwide marketing and outreach specialist positions.

Nancy works primarily on educating industry partners to utilize FHA programs. She also explains the finer details of FHA programs to congressional leaders. She participates in many industry conventions, and she also outreaches to consumers through foreclosure and loss mitigation workshops.

Nancy said someone could have worked in the mortgage industry from 2002 to 2007 and never worked with an FHA loan. This was because of the loan limits at that time. The FHA loan limit at that time was $362,790, and the average sale price was over $500,000. Consumers didn’t want to put down over $200,000 to cover the deference between the purchase price and FHA insured loan limits.

Nancy spent a good portion of her career underwriting loans for Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, FHA, VA, and stated income option ARMs. Nancy noticed many of stated income loans she was receiving appeared to have over-stated income. She turned down many loans as an underwriter, but some lenders were not concerned with quality control.

People can make income documents look very real now because of technology. However, if you used your with, you could search incomes for certain job positions within specific areas. The average income amount you found for the borrower’s job would give you a good idea of whether or not someone was committing fraud on their stated income.

Nancy works in California, Arizona, Nevada, Washington, Oregon, Nevada, Alaska, Hawaii, and Idaho. Arizona, Nevada, and California are three of the most damaged states.

FHA was not a big participant when subprime loans were booming. This prevented HUD from taking the same level of losses. Bruce would imagine that HUD has had some delinquencies from 2008 and 2009. Nancy claims that this is not true. In California, HUD’s delinquency rate for 2008 and 2009 is only at 2.7 percent. Bruce considers that very healthy. FHA never had a stated income program. Over the last two years, FHA has insured over 500,000 loans.

Regardless of the down payment, you always have to qualify for a mortgage. An effort was recently made to raise the FHA down payment limit, but it did not pass. A new bill is passing through congress which would increase down payment requirements according to FICO scores. Right now, FHA is looking to stabilize the market, and FHA is weighing risks and not sure if increasing the downpayment will help in stabilizing the market.

The loan limit in California is $729,760. This will last through December 31, 2010, but we are not sure if this will be extended. There is some legislation out right now which can increase the loan limit for high priced areas.

The down payment percentage does not increase as the price increases. In California, you can go up to 4 units, and you could then get a loan limit of $1,403,400. As long as you are owner occupied the down payment would remain at 3.5 percent.

The higher loan balance has changed who borrows money. The average FICO score for borrowers has increased from 660 to 680. There are a lot of refinances being made right now.

When someone is buying an owner occupied residence, a 100 percent gift fund is allowed to family members, employers and a HUD approved non-profit organizations.

Non-owner occupant loans are only allowed if the individual is buying a HUD REO with 25 percent down. It is also okay for non-owner occupants to streamline refinance on a home that is already owned.

If a borrower has had a bankruptcy, they must wait a minimum of 2 years before being considered. For foreclosures, short sales, or deeds-in-lieu, they must wait 3 years. However, there are exceptions for documented, extenuating circumstances. For example, if there is a death of a child, and the borrower could not pay for expensive medical bills, then they may be considered an exception. For these people, they may only have to wait 1 year.

Sometimes lenders are not aligned with the policies of FHA. FHA’s guidelines are considered minimum guidelines. Almost every lender has extended guidelines. FHA does not have a FICO score requirement, but most lenders have a minimum of 580 FICO score. There are various reasons for lender’s adding overlays to FHA guidelines.  Stating that to protect themselves from their own mistakes does not give the full picture of what I said or meant.  That is only one of the possible reasons, others include examination of own portfolio to determine risks associated with certain types of borrowers and programs, as well as what the investors purchasing these loans in the market want as added layers of protection.

FHA does not actually make loans, it only insures the mortgage. The difference between FHA and private mortgage insurance companies is that FHA insures 100 percent of loans. Because of this, the lender does not have to worry about suffering from a loss. The reason for extended lending guidelines is to protect themselves from their own mistakes.

FHA audits a portion of all their mortgages up front. FHA audits 100 percent of all reverse mortgages, because they are very protective of senior citizens. If fraud is found on a mortgage, then they can ask for an indemnification. If a pattern of fraud is found, then they will remove the lender. FHA has stepped up its auditing of lenders. It now has the ability to pursue lenders more quickly than in the past.

People have a misconception about the home conditions required for FHA. FHA only demands that a house be safe, sound, secure, and free of health issues. FHA does not mandate termite or septic reports.

FHA does not require the use of appraisal management companies, but the lender may require use of such company as it is their right to add overlays and require it. These appraisers are approved by taking a test online, and if they are successful then they are made an FHA appraiser.

All homes repossessed through HUD are listed online. There is a place called Statistics where you can check on what bids have been made on which houses, so you can feel comfortable with the process. Owner occupants are given a ten day priority bidding period for buying HUD REOs. Investors can participate in the bidding process after ten days. In the future, HUD may allow investors to bid on these properties in less than 10 days depending on the condition of the property, but this has not happened yet.

An investor is not eligible to buy an investment property and use FHA 203K loans under current guidelines. However, 203K loans have never gone away for investors on HUD REOs. Bruce did not know this. Unfortunately, investors are still required to put down 25 percent.

When Bruce talked to Nancy two years ago, investors were still required to wait 90 days to resell their houses. There are cases where flipping houses can encourage fraud, but for the most part, investors involved in flipping are doing honest business. However, it should be noted that if a property resells within 90 days and is resold for more than 20% of the investor’s purchase price at auction, there are added requirements and may perhaps not be eligible for FHA financing.

Bruce and Nancy will cover more on HUD approved non-profit agencies next session.

For more information about The Norris Group’s California hard money loans or our California Trust Deed investments, visit the website or call our office at 951-780-5856 for more information. For upcoming California real estate investor training and events, visit The Norris Group website and our California investor calendar. You’ll also find our award-winning real estate radio show on KTIE 590am at 6pm on Saturdays or you can listen to over 170 podcasts in our free investor radio archive.

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175-TNG Radio – Bill Shipp 5-22-10

Friday, May 21st, 2010

 

Bill Shipp 

Bill Shipp, California Real estate Investor

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This week Bruce is joined by Bill Shipp. Bill has been investing in Riverside real estate for many years. Bruce thinks Bill is Riverside’s best kept secret.

Bill believes it is important to be true to your word when doing business. Bill has been working with his contractors for 10 years, and he has never had a bid on a home repair. These contractors know that if Bill hires them, they will get paid at the time he specifies. This is even more important than having people skills.

Bruce has taught many real estate investors. Some of them have great people skills, and that is what gets them business. There are also people that are trustworthy, and that is also attractive to business partners.

In the last segment, Bill said that he is willing to do his job every day, and that attitude has allowed him to accumulate a wealth of knowledge. Bill’s knowledge of his market place allows him to live in Utah while still making good investment decisions in Riverside.

Bill has never closed an escrow with a person in it, and he has never bought a house at the steps. Bill does not want to deal with those hassles. This is why he uses the MLS and agents who know what they are doing. Bill gets over 50 percent of the houses that he makes offers on, because his realtors know not to call him unless a home shows promise. Bill works regularly with two realtors, but he receives calls occasionally from other REO agents as well.

Bill has a specific skew number for the paint which he uses on all his houses. Because he uses the same paint for his houses, it is easier for him to calculate how much repairs will cost when buying a new home. This also makes it much simpler for his repair men, because they know exactly what to do for every new job.

Bill discourages investors from traveling to see their investments. Do it for the first two properties, so you can figure out how to do the job. After the second, you should know what kind of property is worth your time, and trust your contractor to do his job. Traveling to your investment homes will cost you money and time. Also, Bill suggests that investors not bring their wives. His wife always has minor problems with his investments, such as the amount of flowers in the yard.

The typical repair cost for Bill’s investment houses is $15,000 or less. However, he has had home repairs that cost $100,000. In the early 2000s, he bought older homes. The oldest home he ever bought was developed in 1828. The house was so old that the home began to dissolve when the repair man tried to pressure wash it. Bruce once bought a home in 1898. Bruce had a termite investor inspect the home, and the inspector told him that there were no termites because the wood was petrified.

Bill does not have a construction background, but he has learned some things about that trade over time. When you buy a lot of older homes, you have to be creative to find a style that people will want to buy. In the late 1980s, Bill only bought homes that were 5 to 10 years old and did not need work, but Bill now only works with fixers built before the 2000s. Bill does not like to compete with home owners. When you are flipping new homes, you are not creating value. Bill thinks that working in the trustee market requires too much work. This is what Bruce’s company does, and Bruce agrees that the trustee market is too much hassle for Bill’s business model.

When reselling a property, Bill uses the listing agent that found the home for him, and he only uses two agents to keep the process simple. Using a large number of agents makes it difficult to determine whether or not those agents are doing their jobs correctly.

When Bill is selling his properties, he tries to control the escrow, but he never controls which lender is used. Bill’s buyers are always cross checked with the lender. Bill’s agent will not tell him that he has an offer until the buyer has been cross checked, and until he can know if he will get a good offer.

Bill is constantly educating himself in real estate. He reads many books, he has attended Bruce’s seminars, and he has been trained as a certified financial planner. Bill believes that many people know how to make a lot of money, but they do not know how to spend it. People do not often plan for downturns in the market, and their lack of planning ruins their financial health.

In the early 1990s, Bill had 40 rentals. It took 8 years to get those homes sold, and it was very frustrating because the market kept going down.

Bill began investing in Texas during 1989. He bought homes for $10,000 each and he owned them free and clear, but he was receiving negative cashflow every month because of property taxes. Repairing one roof could wipe out your positive cashflow for a year. In the end, he only made money on one of those homes. Do not buy real estate in other cities and states if you do not know what you are doing.

In 1986 Bruce was asked to speak on a panel of real estate experts. There were two well known attorneys on the panel, and all of their claims regarding out-of-state property ownership contradicted Bruce’s practical experience. When Bruce asked those attorneys how they came to their conclusions, he discovered that they had no out-of-state investment experience and were relying on theoretical knowledge. When people come from other states and tell you to buy homes in their areas, be careful. Why would someone travel across the United States to encourage you to buy their property if they cannot even get the people from their own state to buy?

If there are more listings in a region than sells, you should be nervous. On the other hand, if there are more sells than listings, then you should be happy. This is all Bill looks at when predicting whether or not he should be investing. Bill does not pay much attention to economic forecasts. He only pays attention to Riverside’s market, so he does not have to worry about general market forecasts.

The best deal Bill ever had was a wholesale in Corona. The property sold in 2 weeks and he earned over $100,000. If you want to find deals, you need to be watching the market every day. You never know why a seller might want to get rid of their property quickly. An agent once called Bill and told him that the seller was offering five houses and two lots on one street. The seller was the chairman of a bank who had stock options which were about to expire. The banker needed the money for those properties quickly, so that he could buy his stock. This deal shows that you never know why and when a great deal is going to show up. Bruce once bought a house from an agent once who was getting into the plastic extrusion business. The agent needed to buy an extrusion machine for $10,000, so Bruce bought two of his homes for that amount.

Bill has been approached with bulk buying opportunities over the last few months. The people offering these bulk buy deals told Bill that they have had bulk buys in the past that sold quickly. When Bill asked for an example of one of these bulk deals, he never received a response and he still hasn’t. Bill received a bulk buy opportunity from a company in Los Angeles as well. Because the company seemed professional, Bill had his agent check out the properties. The agent discovered that all 20 of the properties for bulk sale were short sales.

Bruce will be a moderator for Fannie and Freddie in June. These companies are putting together bulk sale divisions, so perhaps bulk sale opportunities will be available in the future.

For more information about The Norris Group’s California hard money loans or our California Trust Deed investments, visit the website or call our office at 951-780-5856 for more information. For upcoming California real estate investor training and events, visit The Norris Group website and our California investor calendar. You’ll also find our award-winning real estate radio show on KTIE 590am at 6pm on Saturdays or you can listen to over 170 podcasts in our free investor radio archive.

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174-TNG Radio – Bill Shipp 5-15-10

Friday, May 14th, 2010

Bill Shipp 

Bill Shipp, California Real estate Investor

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This week Bruce is joined by Bill Shipp. Bill has been investing in Riverside real estate for many years. Bruce thinks Bill is Riverside’s best kept secret.

Bill began flipping homes in 1986. He did his first flip deal when he was 18 years old. He had a family member who had bought the lot but could not afford it, so Bill agreed to buy it for 2,600 dollars and he sold it a couple years later for $6,000.

Before his first real estate investment, Bill was an airforce brat. He moved around a lot which made him wish he could own a house. Prior to 1986, Bill was working a corporate job and strongly disliked it. He had a good friend who was a real estate investor in the Long Beach area. This friend encouraged Bill to learn real estate. Bill’s friend explained that Bill would most likely not become very wealthy if he continued to work in the corporate world, and he would always have to worry about his job security. If you own your own business of buying and selling real estate you can never get fired. This encouraged Bill to quit his job and begin working as a real estate agent.

Bill did learn some important lessons from the corporate world. He learned to run his real estate business the same way as if he was working a corporate job. He did not sleep in just because he owned his own business. He would begin working at 8, and he worked normal hours.

Bill’s mentor taught him how to buy homes, and how to figure out prices and fixing costs. His mentor was very regimented. If Bill was even a minute late, his mentor would leave him. Bill listened to all of his mentor’s phone calls, and he learned how he conducted business with other visitors.

Bill’s mentor never got into educating people. He simply picked a few people that he new personally to work with him. Bill thinks he was the lucky person to be picked by this mentor because he showed good discipline.

Bill has bought and sold 360 houses. He does not have make many deals in which he personally speaks to the home owners he buys from; he probably only talks about 10 percent of these home owners. He never used mailers or signs.

If Bill was beginning to invest in Riverside with all his current knowledge, he would first call his agent and show them his accomplishments. Agents hear from many people who claim to be real estate investors but are not truly serious. For this reason, Bill keeps a portfolio of every house he has bought and sold. He shows this portfolio to agents during interviews. He then tries to persuade these agents that working with him is a good idea. He interviews multiple agents until he finds a couple of agents who are willing to be trained for his specific style of work.

Bill has not tried to develop relationships with people who control the most popular sources of REOs, but his name is somewhat well known by these people because of the business he does.

A typical investor will receive a call from an agent in which the agent explains what kinds of new inventory have recently come up. This agent might tell the investor that 20 new listings showed up. The agent and the investor would then look at many of those houses and attempt to narrow down their options. The kind of calls that Bill receives from his agents is very different. Bill’s agents will tell him which one of those 20 properties he would most likely be interested in. Bill would then ask who is listing the home, and the realtor would be able to tell him whether or not he had done business with that person previously. His Realtor would also be able to tell him what kind of neighborhood it is in, and whether or not he has done business in that area before. This Realtor would also give him a description of the other houses on sale in that area, the price they are listed at, and a description of the property Bill wants to buy. He would then make an offer slightly below the typical asking price of that neighborhood, and his offer would be made within just a few hours of being listed. This is how you beat the competition. You have to be able to make offers and close deals before the competition arrives.

What really gives Bill an advantage over his competition is the ability of his realtors to identify houses within specific streets of his city. Bill’s realtors are so familiar with their areas that they can look at a specific street, compare the prices of the other properties for sale on that street, and quickly determine whether or not a specific house is a good deal.

Agents are often skeptical of whether or not there are whole sale deals on the market. Part of the problems is that they are not disciplined, they are not experienced, and they are not accustomed to doing their job every day. It takes time for agents to spot a good deal quickly. Bill can buy properties out of the MLS even when the market is going up, and people claim there is no way to find a deal. When Bill told Bruce this in 2004, Bruce was very surprised and it taught him something.

During the real estate boom, everyone was an investor; you did not need to be good at investing during that time to make money. During that time, Bill was not worried about competition because there was so much business.

Name familiarity is very important when dealing with people who control the source of inventory. People who know Bill know that he has only backed out of 1 offer in his entire real estate career. If people know you are going to go through with your offers, they will be more willing to do business with you.

Bill typically puts a $5,000 deposit on his offers regardless of the home price. Bill recently lost an offer to someone who gave an offer for 100 percent of the purchase price. This was an investor trained by Bruce Norris.

Bill usually offers a 10 day close, or the seller’s preference. He has actually lost offers in the past because the bank felt the closing time was too quick, so allowing the seller to choose the closing time is best.

When Bill discovers that he has made an offer on a property with multiple offers, he simply responds by giving them his highest and best offer. Bill doesn’t have a problem with making only $20,000 on a property which gives him an advantage when making offers. Some investors will not bother making a deal if they cannot buy it for 62 percent of the price.

Bill may be one of the biggest investors in California, but he actually lives in Utah. He has developed a business model which does not need him to make full time deals. Bill cannot think of anyone with a business model like this, and that is why he sticks to one city. Having all his properties within a very specific region allows him to easily manage all his properties. Bill does not invest at all in Utah.

Bill typically buys under the $200,000 price range. Many of his buyers are FHA buyers, and many of them are conventional. When the market gets slow, Bill does not fight it, he just quits and waits until things pick up. Bill did have some trouble getting back into the market not long ago, because many rules had changed since his last transaction. When Bill re-entered the market, the 90 day FHA rule was still in place, and Bill did not know about it. His first offer was an FHA and the appraisal came in $15,000 low. He chose to be satisfied with the $10,000 dollars he made off the property and move on. Bill encourages people to not fall in love with their properties, so they will make smart selling decisions. Bill decided to leave the market in 2007 because he was receiving multiple offers on all his homes, and the offers were too high. Things were getting too crazy. When Bill looked at the loan documents, his buyers would have a 10 percent interest rate with a 700 FICO score. Bill wanted to tell these people, “What are you thinking?”

Bill does not buy and hold rentals. Bruce thinks that is interesting because many people think that is the best way to invest. Bill believes that if you are a full time investor, flipping houses will be more profitable then renting. However, renting is a good option for passive investors. Passive investing is what Bill did when he first started investing. When he first starting buying properties, he bought 45 rentals and he eventually ended up with negative cash flow. When times get tough, people start moving which leaves you with vacant rentals.

For more information about The Norris Group’s California hard money loans or our California Trust Deed investments, visit the website or call our office at 951-780-5856 for more information. For upcoming California real estate investor training and events, visit The Norris Group website and our California investor calendar. You’ll also find our award-winning real estate radio show on KTIE 590am at 6pm on Saturdays or you can listen to over 170 podcasts in our free investor radio archive.

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173-TNG Radio – Leslie Appleton-Young 5-8-10

Friday, May 7th, 2010

Leslie Appleton-Young

Leslie Appleton-Young,
Chief Economist of the California Association of Realtors

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This week Bruce is joined by Chief Econ0mist for the California Association of Realtors, Leslie Appleton-Young.

The peak of the median home price in May 2007 was almost $600,000. Bruce believes there were indications that we were no longer in the peak in May 2007 despite the fact that median prices reached that level. Transactions slowed in the 4th quarter of 2005. In Sacramento, there was a lot of new construction, affordable housing, and subprime borrowing. In areas like Sacramento, homes were purchased in 2003 and 2004, but they began adjusting in 2006. These properties started faltering for a full year before they showed up in the data. Sales at the moderate and low end shrunk, but sales at the high end were doing fine, so the median home price became skewed. Prices went down in 2007 and 2008, but at the same time, sales were increasing by over 25 percent.

We have never experienced a price decline like this recent one. However, the San Fernando Valleys had a significant drop in 1990’s when there were fires, floods and riots. At that time, the median went from $225,000 to $165,000 in that area.

There are many owners who put down 20 percent on their home, but now owe more than their house is worth. There were people with good jobs and good mortgages, but got in trouble once prices decreased. In the future, we need to be more aware of cash-out refis. People who had equity would use it for vacations and toys rather than investment. We had such a long run –up in price that people began to think that real estate could not hurt them. They thought that pulling out equity now would be replaced by more equity later, and that was not true.

There are many people who are defaulting strategically presently, because they don’t want to pay for a property which won’t return to its previous value in many years. However, you have to weigh this benefit against the damage done to your credit. Strategic defaults are becoming more prevalent, and it is becoming more socially acceptable. It was once considered bad to choose to stop paying on a mortgage, but now people find it acceptable. Fannie Mae just came out with a statement which allows people to get financing within 2 years if you will give a deed-in-lieu of foreclosure. This new rules will come into affect July 1st. The new mortgage you get in 2 years will likely require 20 percent down.

Distressed sales have never been this high. ForeclosureRadar.com provides a tremendous educational opportunity for those interested in learning about the distressed sales market. In areas like Riverside, distressed sales represent nearly 80 percent of all sales. Short sales are also beginning to increase.

Distressed sales have been more common in the lower end of the market. However, now that the downturn has been going on for so long, foreclosures are becoming more common in the upper end of the market.

In Riverside County, there are approximately 3,000 homes with over 3,000 square feet which are pending for sale. Bruce doubts that we have buyers for all those homes, and the loan balance for many of those homes is probably over $1 million. Bruce thinks that we are going to have a price hit and glut of inventory in the upper end of the market.

Leslie thinks that first time buyers are in good shape with the stimulus package, but the trade-up buyers are having trouble. When you have a median price of $600,000 and the government programs are specifically designed to help people that owe less than the Fannie Mae maximum loan balance, then you are probably missing 35 percent of the market. People who owe $1 million dollars have no encouragement to buy again. Bruce thinks that having a home above 3,500 sq. feet will be less meaningful in appraisal values than ever before.

The spread in the jumbo loan market has come down to 1 percent. Many of these borrowers are putting down 30 to 40 percent down for jumbo loans. To get those loans, you need to have a large down payment and a strong FICO score. Many loans are being held in portfolio by the lender, because they want to have a cushion going forward.

People have different reasons for buying now than they did in 2006. People are not buying homes expecting to get rich off of their homes. They thought they could sell their homes once the interest adjusts or refinance, and when the adjustment time came, neither of those options were available. Now people realize that they are not going to get rich over night just because they own a house, and they are looking for a place to raise a family.

There is a strong disconnect in the mind of a person in congress between the word investor and speculator. In this market, the speculator has gone home, but investors are working to fix up houses and they are needed. Banks do not have the resources to rehab and get homes onto the market in a timely fashion.

Bruce will be a moderator on an interestingly panel coming up in June for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. These two companies are starting bulk divisions. Bruce wonders what size of bulk deals they are planning for, and whether or not there will be restrictions on detaining those properties. Bruce is not sure when Fannie and Freddie will finalize their decision on this subject. Bruce is also trying to get Sean O’toole from ForeclosureRadar.com to be a moderator as well. REO agents can benefit from listing homes ten at a time, rather than 1 at a time. There is a huge chunk of negative equity properties that need to get through the process, and anything that speeds that process up in a reasonable manner is a good thing.

There are many people in California who are showing tremendous character by paying for an upside down property. The best way to reward these people is to show them that there is hope for equity replacement in the near future.

60 percent of people are not buying homes, yet very few are renters. Leslie thinks many of these people are moving in with their parents and children. The housing downturn has affected very aspect of the economy, so people need to save.

There is a statistic showing that 200,000 homes are built every year. Builders are looking at this statistic and thinking they need to build more houses, but you have to be more realistic than that. The reason why builders aren’t building homes is because nobody is willing to buy. However, all these people that have moved in with their families to save money will someday want to move out. We are artificially skewing our building to the low side right now. There will be a day when builders will be behind the curve, and demand will accelerate far faster than the inventory.

Many jobs have been lost in the California construction industry, but these jobs are starting to return. Leslie thinks that this industry will make a comeback in a few years. We need to make jobs from new products and services. We usually expect construction to provide jobs at the end of a downturn, but that will probably not happen this time. Consumer confidence increased in March, but it is still only half of what it was one year ago. The opportunity for builders lies in creating multigenerational housing.

A report was just made on the demographics of California through 2050. The numbers show that we are very different from the other states, and that we will probably grow. Our growth will cause more demand for housing, but it will not happen over the next few years because of the problems we’ve had.

In Riverside, unemployment is close to 15 percent, but that probably translates to around 20 percent because many people have stopped looking for jobs. Riverside County used to be the leading county in California in regards to employment growth. People will always migrate to places with more jobs. California is currently losing people to other states with better employment. Uhaul recently came up with a report on moving destinations, and one of the top destinations was Sacramento. People are moving there because housing is more affordable and they have been able to find some sort of employment. It will take time to work through California’s negative equity position, but we will improve eventually.

Unemployment is usually an instigator of foreclosure, but this time unemployment has lagged from foreclosure yet is increasing the problem. There are areas that were not subprime focused that are being dragged into the overall problem because prices have gone down.

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172-TNG Radio – Leslie Appleton-Young 5-1-10

Friday, April 30th, 2010

Leslie Appleton-Young

Leslie Appleton-Young,
Chief Economist of the California Association of Realtors

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This week Bruce is joined by Chief Econ0mist for the California Association of Realtors, Leslie Appleton-Young.

Leslie has had a tough job for the past few years, but things have changed for the better this year. Leslie can see the light at the end of the tunnel, and people’s expectations of the market have become more realistic. People are not as afraid of the downturn. However, she does not feel that this is true in all price bands. Over the next 24 months, the upper end of the market will experience many more price reductions. In the moderate to low end of the distressed market, Leslie predicts that prices will remain flat, and possibly increase slightly. The upper end of the market has seen some adjustment, but nothing like the lower end of the market. As the economic turmoil hits upper end markets, sellers will have to be more realistic about what they expect to get for their homes. In Riverside, there are some great homes with loans on them worth $1.5 million, but they cannot even sell for $700,000.

The lower price, subprime inventory has been absorbed, and that part of the market seems to be coming back. The stimulus for first time buyers and the decreased rates have had a significant influence on home purchases.

Every area in California is unique and different, but the dichotomy in today’s housing market has more to do with price than location. Part of the problem is that people are having trouble qualifying for loans. Demand for homes at the low end of the market exceeds the supply, but the opposite is true for the high end.

In the past, Bruce has found that inventory levels are pretty accurate leading statistics. When you are below a certain months level of inventory, you can often reasonably assume that things will turn around. There are a lot of lenders with properties that are not on the market. Default rates have also exploded, but the lenders will not file NODs. There is a penned up group of buyers, and there may also be a penned up group of buyers. Leslie thinks that government intervention will determine how this problem is rectified. It is difficult to predict how the government will deal with this problem.

California has benefited from the stimulus programs. We are starting to see more green shoots, and Leslie thinks that the iPad may have positively affected our economy. The state deficit has decreased over the last few months. California is an outlier. We boom harder, we sell more, and we improve quicker. However, our recovery is generally rather flat. We had a 5.9 percent GDP growth in the 4th quarter of 2009, and 4 percent of that was inventory restocking. Leslie wonders how much of our retail sales growth is tied to all those homes that are behind on their mortgages. We are not out of this downturn yet, but we are improving. The government stimulus is going away, and that is why there is some uncertainty about the outcome of the second half of this year. We will likely see interest rates increase. They have already increased a bit, but only by a quarter point. If interest rates climbed above 6 percent, Leslie thinks that there would be a strong negative reaction in the market.

Sometimes when rates increase, people feel encouraged to buy before rates become unreasonable. It is important for people to remember that it is not clear that prices have bottomed in all categories, but it is pretty clear that rates will be higher in a year than they are now. People need to measure the tradeoff between the cost of increased rates and decreased prices.

When Bruce became an investor, he refinanced his home in 1981 at 17.5 percent. One year later, he was delighted to refinance at 12.5. Very smart people told him that rates would never go below 10 percent, but now many people would feel jipped if they bought at a rate above 6 percent even though that is a historically incredible rate.

One thing that is really different this time around is the role of equity, or the lack of it, has played in the cycle. If you don’t have equity, you are not a homeowner. The policies for home buying and selling during the boom caused many of our current problems. When you have to pony up 20 percent, and you have equity in your home, you treat home buying and selling very differently than someone who is buying without documentation and zero down. In 2006, 40 percent of Realtors working with first time home buyers said that the buyers did not put down any money.

Bruce thinks the timing of the no down program was atrocious, because the price to income level was absurd. However, Bruce actually thinks we should have a no-down program in our current market. We have to create households that are fit to own. We have just taken back hundreds of thousands of homes from people that wanted to be owners, which are now credit damaged and cannot re-enter the market. We could make a no-down payment program, but when somebody doesn’t make a payment, we could let the loan go forward to the next owner without qualifying just like how the FHA once operated. The other option is to let the opening bid for the next 5 years to consist of just the late payment. If we used this program, there would never be an REO. The nothing down program would create a lot of interest in new owners, and we might retain the current percentage of homeownership that we already have. Bruce fears that we will have a national decline in the 62 percent range, and California will have another downturn in homeownership. Bruce loves the statistics that Leslie puts out.

There is a big difference between the net dollar amount coming to the seller now in comparison to the past. It was once around $200,000, but now its only about $50,000. One-third of these sellers sold at a lost. This creates a negative perspective on real estate which discourages people from investing in a home in the future. In a recent survey, 60 percent of past homebuyers claimed to have no future interest in buying again.

California homes are very affordable right now, because of the price decrease and the low interest rates. However, we are still feeling that it is necessary to encourage potential buyers to enter the market. The tax credit was truly a present to first time buyers. First time buyers are now approximately 50 percent of the volume of current home buyers.

We now have a healthy volume of sells. For 19 consecutive months, we have had a pace of over 500,000. We never even passed the 500,000 pace until 1999. The accumulative dollars are very different now from the peak. Commissions earned by realtors are very different from 2006 and 2007. Incomes have changed the membership of CAR, but not as much as Leslie was expecting. In 2007, there were 211,000 realtors in California. This year, we will probably have around 172,000. That is a significant drop, but considering the significant drop in profit volume, that is a rather small drop. This isn’t surprising though because the economy has not left with people with many other job options. If you work hard enough, you can still be successful. This market works well for the first time agent because there are a lot of first time buyers.

Website presence is critical right now. A recent buyers’ survey asked, “Did you look in the newspaper during your home search?” The results showed that only 10 percent of people were using the paper as a reference. People are searching for homes using very different methods, but it is actually very cheap to advertise online. All of the brokerages have cut back on overhead and expenses. A realtor may not have an office, but they can still be visible online if they have a laptop.

The internet has allowed the consumer to shop around without spending the realtor’s time. However, Leslie has found that 85 percent of home buyers were shown their current home by an agent. Perhaps the internet is presenting too much information for uneducated buyers. Also, in a market where properties are selling quickly, you need to have an agent helping you to be the first potential buyer in line.

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The Norris Group Vlog – Mold Featuring Julie Crittenden

Wednesday, April 7th, 2010

It’s finally here! The first Norris Group video blog featuring mold expert Julie Crittenden.

The Norris Group is dedicated to continued education through our radio show, news blog, and now the newest feature to our website, our video blog. These short segments will explore basic concepts and important topics not often understood and/or covered from the point of view of the real estate investor. We look forward to your feedback as we grow this new feature and resource. We hope you find it helpful.

Special thank you to Julie for being our first guest and Rich Durant for editing!

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167-TNG Radio – City of Riverside 3-27-10

Friday, March 26th, 2010

Deanna Lorsen

Deanna Lorsen, Development Director with The City of Riverside

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Scott Barber

Scott Barber, Code Enforcement
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This week Bruce is joined once again by Deanna Lorson and Scott Barber. Deanna is the Development Director for the city of Riverside. Her job includes redevelopment, economic development, marketing, housing and neighborhoods, arts and culture, and capital projects. Deanna previously worked for the County of Riverside as the managing director of the Development Agency. Scott Barber is the Community Development Director for the city of Riverside. His job involves building safety and code enforcement. Scott has been involved in the creation of new, innovative programs for financial systems.

You may be calling on a case file that is out in the field with the officer. During that sort of situation, Scott won’t be able to answer your questions. If a lender calls for his bill, Scott will give you the bill and suspend daily penalties for 10 days. The buyer will have to pay for the fines already there, but the city will work with the buyer on getting the house rehabilitated. As long as you are making an effort to rehabilitate the property, you won’t have trouble.

The investor’s goal is to get something fixed as quickly and as well as possible, so that he or she can sell it for a profit. The city and the investor have the same goal. The problem comes in from perception, because the investor perceives property inspection as threatening. The city must make it clear that defying the rules will not be tolerated. Recently, some people in the financial industry challenged the city’s constitutional right to fine unkempt properties, but the city won. Scott lives in Riverside, and he cares about it, so he will not allow it to deteriorate.

Riverside recently rebuilt the Fox Theatre in downtown. The city used multiple funding sources to pay for its redevelopment. The performing center itself was not paid through redevelopment funds; It was paid for by a bond issuance. Redevelopment funds must be made in redevelopment project areas for specific reasons outlined in state law. The city financial officer was responsible for the bond issuance. This issuance was done before Deanna began working for the city. This bond involved a long term, fixed rate loan for the city’s capital improvement. You could compare it to having a trust deed against the future progress of the city. The decision to take on these loans is approved by the City Council.

Riverside city has a down payment assistance program. Five years ago, there was little activity in this program because prices were so high, but now that prices have declined, this program has played a significant role in encouraging long term home ownership in Riverside. This program is funded with redevelopment funds and some Federal funds. Rental assistance is primarily given from the county. However, Riverside city did receive one Federal grant for preventing homelessness. The name of the Federal program for down payment assistance is named The Home Investment Partnership. This assistance comes in the form of a “silent second”. This means the homeowner gets the maximum fixed rate mortgage that they can afford, and then the city helps pay for the gap between their mortgage amount and the home price.

There are projects that Scott handles which get his attention more quickly, and get dealt with more quickly as well. If you are involved in a project which provides a large number of jobs to the city, or if you are in danger of causing a large loss in jobs, then you can receive a discount for your utility expenses. If your project is a new development, then you get “fast track” authorization. This gives you priority treatment through planning, building and safety, and through inspections.

Riverside is one of the leaders in the Green movement for energy conservation. The city is providing a program for investors who make certain environmentally friendly changes to their investments, and Bruce thinks that investors will respond to this. Riverside is the first city to be labeled an “Emerald City” in California.

The fact that Riverside has its own resources saves it from a lot of expenses. There are many Inland Empire areas who are serviced by Edison for energy, and MWD for water. The forefathers in Riverside secured water rights for Riverside that are unmatched. The public utility programs in Riverside make energy use much cheaper for its citizens. Riverside has had a planning committee since 1915. This city has always been fortunate to have people in charge who were thoughtful of the future.

Riverside’s community surveys show that we are still having some population growth, but Scott is uncertain how accurate that information is. However, a census should be taken soon, and that will be more informative.

In 2007, the city of Riverside took a 20-year planning ahead mentality towards growth.

The city is divided into 7 equally populated wards, which are basically districts. Each ward elects a member of city council, and those wards represent the city’s governing body. The wards that receive the most redevelopment attention are those that have the most economically damaging problems.

There was a set of apartment units in Riverside which were in bad condition, but those units got fixed and eventually won an award. If someone has damaged property, they can come to the city to receive funds for repairs. The city is required to spend 20 percent of redevelopment funds on affordable housing, and part of that money goes towards new construction. However, there are very strict rules regarding what kind of projects are eligible for funding. These projects must be for long-term affordable housing.

There are 3 significant building projects in Riverside which had to be stopped after they had already begun. One of them was near Lowes. It was a condominium program, but the FDIC completely tore it down. They are currently marketing that property for development. The problem was that it sat in a raw lumber state for too long, which caused problems for the wood structure. There are two in the west side of the city, which involves a large home development. This project will not be dealt with for a while because there are 4 different banks involved in it. This is actually fairly contained damage, but the County of Riverside probably has more trouble than the city.

Thank you Deanna Lorson and Scott Barber for being a part of the TNG Radio Show.

California’s budget problem has affected Riverside’s spending. The state has decided to use some of the city’s redevelopment budget to help with the budget gap. Riverside is currently expected to pay $17 million, by May 10th of this year, to help California’s budget. Riverside’s total redevelopment budget is about $50 million, so that $17 million is a significant portion.

One year ago, a court case determined that the state could not use redevelopment funds to fix the state’s budget. Right now, the state has attorneys looking for a way to challenge that decision.

The entire budget for redevelopment comes from tax collection. Property taxes have declined in Riverside. Because Riverside is an older city, it did not experience a dramatic decline in redevelopment funds. Overall, the city has experienced a 10 percent decline in property tax revenue.

On vacant properties, it can be typical for power meters to be gone. The city might have it removed if it presents a safety standard, or it might be stolen. Some people regularly look for abandoned properties to steal from. Early in the code enforcement process, Scott’s staff will record a notice of pendency. This allows investors to have records of these homes. The city’s goal is to get homes rehabilitated and reoccupied, so the city will work with investors. The city may even do on-site inspections with you, if you truly need it.

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166-TNG Radio – City of Riverside 3-20-10

Friday, March 19th, 2010

Deanna Lorsen

Deanna Lorsen, Development Director with The City of Riverside

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Scott Barber

Scott Barber, Code Enforcement
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Bruce Norris is joined this week by the Development Director for the City of Riverside, Deanna Lorsen, and the Code Enforcement Director for the City of Riverside, Scott Barber. Bruce, Deanna, and Scott discuss what their jobs look like on a daily basis, their core job functions, the state of the Neighborhood Stabilization Program (NSP), how Riverside has been dealing with the funds, how Riverside works with a private trust, the type of inventory Riverside is focusing on, and much more.

California has undergone a huge shift from a massive construction boom to becoming a foreclosure heaven. This transition has been difficult for Scott. He had to reduce his work force by 34 percent. He has moved some of his valuable employees to code enforcement from planning and building safety. These people are dealing with problems related to foreclosures and abandoned properties. His work used to be evenly spread between the areas of planning, building, and code enforcement, but now his work is mostly focused on code enforcement, and building has become a very minor part of his work schedule.

When the focus of Scott’s work shifted, he had to train many of his employees for different types of work. There are certain aspects of being a code enforcement officer, which you need to be prepared for, especially when you are inspecting abandoned properties. When you are a building inspector, you are accustomed to going to a job site where someone is waiting for you with plans and instructions, but when you got to an abandoned house, there might be someone waiting for you, but they won’t be waiting with a set of plans.

The process on foreclosed properties is very paper intensive. These jobs include a lot lender communication and follow up notices. Because of all the paper records that go into these jobs, Scott’s team never loses in court.

In 2008, the National Stabilization Program was created. Riverside city received $6.6 million and Riverside County received over $45 million. This money was used very differently between the county and the city. The city focused on existing single family foreclosures. Riverside city worked on getting these foreclosed homes rehabbed and sold. The county is more focused on partnering with large developers making track homes. The county covers 7,200 square miles, so they have a much larger focus. Riverside city has the ability to pay attention to individual neighborhoods.

Riverside’s $6.6 million was allowed to be leveraged. Riverside leveraged its money by adding in another $5 million from the redevelopment funds. Then, Riverside gained a letter of credit from a bank for $20 million.

Riverside’s focus is on houses that the market will not take care, such as homes that need substantial rehabilitation. The city of Riverside also tries to focus on areas of high foreclosure density. Scott is responsible for determining which places should receive the most attention. When neighborhoods look bad, they encourage other problems to occur, so Scott’s work makes a strong impact on neighborhoods.

Even through prices have decreased, it is still hard for Riverside to buy homes. It is not easy to find out who owns a “for sale” property, and it is not easy to get a deal from the owner. Deanna has had a lot of success when working with the National Community Stabilization Trust, which is a nonprofit group who works with banks to gain inventory. This company was made specifically to deal with foreclosed properties. The banks allow this company to know where the inventory is, and then the Trust gives the city a list of eligible properties. Some weeks Deanna might receive a dozen offers, and other weeks she may not receive any.

Not all the homes that Riverside city is offered will meet the city’s standards for purchasing. Riverside focuses on buying homes that will most likely not be bought by investors or anyone else.

Once the buying process starts on a home, an inspector goes to the home and makes plans for getting the house rehabbed. The inspector then works with the contractors on doing the inspections. Scott thinks that Riverside’s staff collaboration gives the staff a huge advantage over other jurisdictions.

The city of Riverside is not allowed to make a profit on the homes it sells. This restriction limits the city’s ability to buy certain homes, because it is not good for the city to sell a home at a value lower than the average asking price of the neighborhood. If the city sells for 15 percent lower than everyone else, then other appraisals will be affected by that sale.

25 percent of Riverside’s funds produce affordable homes for families with low income. For these people, Riverside targets small unit properties, and then works with a non profit company to make the housing affordable over the long term.

The city also looks into homes that need to be demolished. Once the land is made empty, Riverside partners with a nonprofit organization to build an affordable home there. Riverside partners with the private sector at every stage of home development. The city partners with private rehabilitators and brokers, which helps to produce jobs.

There is always money that comes out of sales. When this happens, the money is reused to buy new homes. However, after five years, any money the city has received from these home sales will go back to the Federal Government.

The money Riverside received for buying homes has provided the city with many opportunities. For one, it has provided jobs to Scott and his staff. Also, there are some properties that Deanna would never have been able to take care of without extra financing. The ability to repair severely damaged homes helps not only its buyer, but also its neighborhood’s value.

There is a domino effect for neighborhoods that see improvement or damage. A large number of foreclosures in a neighborhood will cause devaluation and more foreclosures. On the other hand, increasing a homes value does the opposite.

Riverside’s Municipal Code Section 611 states that when a house becomes vacant, you must maintain it and offer it for sale or rent. If this rule is not obeyed, daily fines will be accrued. These fines encourage banks to take care of the properties.

Bruce asks Scott how he notifies a lender about a property that has become a problem. When Section 611 became active, Scott received so many complaints about unmaintained properties that his staff was not been able to keep up with them. A regular case load for an officer is 100 to 120 active cases. When this program first started, the officers were carrying over 300 cases. All they could do is respond to the calls they received.

Scott has seen so many foreclosed homes that he can now spot a foreclosed home just by driving through a neighborhood. Foreclosed homes often have brown lawns, stuff on the front porch, and evidence of a break in. This look of foreclosure is the problem that Riverside wants to address.

The fines for unkempt properties apply to all parties involved in the foreclosure. This means that owner occupants, the investor intending to buy the property, and the bank that may eventually own the property can be fined for an unkempt home. Some of the calls Scott receives about unkempt properties come from neighbors to those properties, and some from departments of other cities.

Pools on unoccupied lands are a major concern for Scott. When someone calls Scott about their concerns for a pool on a foreclosed home, he has someone get to that home that day. Scott is concerned about someone drowning in an unoccupied pool. Unfortunately, Riverside has received a lot of rain, so Scott has been very busy with getting pools re-pumped.

Lenders can be hard to get in contact with, but Scott’s staff is typically very good at finding them. However, while the party responsible for the home is being found, Scott hires someone to board-up unkempt homes. After 180 days, the city can declare an unkempt property a public nuisance, and then the city has more options available for getting rid of such problems.

Scott has never had a case in which he could not find someone with some sort of financial involvement in a property. However, loan securitization has made it more difficult. Scott’s staff uses an online tax and title service to search for people involved in unkempt homes.

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Long-Term California Trust Deed Investment Program with The Norris Group

Tuesday, January 19th, 2010

In an effort to help answer the many questions we get on a daily basis regarding trust deed investment in California with The Norris Group, we’ve  put together a short 7-part video explaining the basics of trust deed investing, the players, the process, who qualifies, our unique borrowers, and how trust deed investors play an important role in the recovery of California real estate.

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