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Poor Federal Implementation Has Made Real Estate Appraisals More Costly While Forcing Experienced Professionals Out Of The Appraisal Business

Wednesday, September 14th, 2011
I Survived Real Estate 2011

Sara W. Stephens, the 2011 president-elect of the Appraisal Institute, will join real estate analyst Bruce Norris on a panel of experts who will meet Oct. 14th at the Nixon Presidential Library to discuss the effects of current and proposed legislation and solutions to the nation’s real estate crisis

YORBA LINDA, Calif., Sept. 12, 2011 – Federal regulators’ efforts to lessen the influence of banks in the real estate appraisal process have ended up making residential appraisals more costly while forcing experienced professionals out of the valuation business.

“Strangely, real estate agents have reported that consumers are paying higher appraisal fees, yet fees actually paid to appraisers have declined in some cases by more than 40 percent,” Sara W. Stephens, MAI, the 2011 president-elect of the Appraisal Institute, stated in recent testimony to Congress.

Stephens will elaborate on this problem on Oct. 14th when she joins real estate analyst Bruce Norris of The Norris Group and other nationally known real estate experts at the Nixon Presidential Library to discuss solutions to the nation’s continuing real estate crisis.

The event, dubbed “I Survived Real Estate 2011,” is organized each fall by The Norris Group and features some of the most respected voices in real estate. This year’s lineup also includes:

  •  *  Doug Duncan, chief economist for Fannie Mae
  •  *  Vicki Golder, immediate past president of the National Association of Realtors
  •  *  Eric Janszen, founder and president of iTulip, Inc.
  •  *  Debra Still, chairman elect of the Mortgage Bankers Association
  •  *  Sean O’Toole, president of Foreclosure Radar

Norris, who has built a following in the real estate community and with news reporters after producing consistently accurate real estate forecasts, said the panelists should provide a clearer picture of what we can expect to happen in real estate markets in California and elsewhere in the coming months in addition to identifying potential solutions to the crisis as well as opportunities for real estate professionals and investors.

In a recent interview on Norris’s weekly radio program, Stephens said the problem in the appraisal industry is due to improper implementation of well-intended new policies – embodied in the Home Valuation Code of Conduct (HVCC) and the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act – that have prompted banks to obtain appraisals through appraisal management companies rather than working with appraisers directly.

While the new rules have effectively reduced “value pressure” on appraisers by creating a firewall between lenders and appraisers, they have also led to a situation where appraisal management companies are siphoning off a significant portion of the fees that were previously paid directly to the appraisers.

So instead of using the most experienced appraisers in each real estate market, who understandably command higher fees because of their local knowledge and expertise, some appraisal management companies often hire less experienced appraisers, sometimes including appraisers from out of the area who have little or no knowledge of local market conditions, in an effort to take a greater portion of the appraisal fees for themselves.

Stephens said this situation has been happening without the buyer’s knowledge and is leading to a devaluation or “commoditization” of appraisals, which ultimately hurts banks as well as consumers who count on an appraiser’s opinion of value to be as reliable and credible as possible.

Norris regularly interviews lenders, economists, builders and other housing experts on his weekly real estate radio talk show, which airs at 6 p.m. Saturdays on KTIE 590 AM in San Bernardino. Podcasts of Norris’s radio interviews can be accessed through his company website, www.thenorrisgroup.com.

100% of proceeds from the Oct. 14th event will be donated to the Orange County affiliate of Susan G. Komen for the Cure, the world’s largest grassroots organization dedicated to finding a cure for breast cancer.

The event has more than 25 sponsors, including ForeclosureRadar, HousingWire Magazine, Investors Workshops, InvestCLUB for Women, Frye Wiles Web and Branding, Real Wealth Network, the San Jose Real Estate Investors Club, and the San Diego Creative Investors Association.

For tickets and other information involving the Oct. 14th event, please visit www.isurvived2011.com. Reporters seeking advance interviews with Norris and panel participants before or after the event should contact Aaron Norris at (951) 780-5856.

 

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204-TNG Radio – Tom Anderson 12-11-10

Friday, December 10th, 2010

Tom Anderson

Chairman and Founder of PENSCO Trust Company


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This week Bruce is joined again by Tom Anderson. Tom is the chairman and founder of PENSCO Trust Company. He is considered by many to be the national expert on the topic of self directed IRAs. He focuses on how investors can increase their wealth-building potential with real estate and private equity investments. He has written articles for nearly all the nation’s and financial magazines. He was recently invited to Washington as part of the “Future of Finance Initiative” for the Obama Administration.

You can loan money to your IRA if you attempting to protect the existence of the IRA. You cannot loan money to your IRA to buy new lots. The loan must also be interest free. If it did have an interest rate, the loan would be considered self dealing, because you would be taking profit out of your IRA. Lastly, if the loan extends more than 60 days, you must provide the custodian with a note explaining that the IRA owes you money.

Tom recently spoke to a member of the Department of Labor who created this exemption, and the member confirmed that you could loan money to your IRA to bail it out of mortgage delinquency.

There are some IRA investments which may or may not be considered illegal depending on which government official is reviewing the investment. For example, Tom once heard of a man who used his IRA to buy a classic car. Because the car is a classic, there is good reason to believe the car will appreciate. However, a government official might consider this self dealing, because they may or may not perceive the classic car to be for personal use. If the government perceives the car to be for personal use, then the car purchase would be labeled self dealing. Depending on which day the car purchase was reviewed, and depending on who reviewed the purchase, this may or may not be a legal IRA purchase. You can perform a large variety of transactions within your IRA, but you must be careful not to purchase anything that the government might perceive as self dealing. If the government believes you are self dealing with your IRA, then your IRA will lose its tax-deferred status.

Bruce’s business is set up to buy and sell real estate. Bruce asks Tom if there is a limit on how much money, or how many houses, he could use for his IRA. Tom believes that this is up for interpretation. In Bruce’s case, he owns a real estate business, so if he performs many transactions through his IRA, the government may possibly perceive Bruce to be running a business through his IRA. All businesses must pay taxes, and if the government determined that Bruce was running his business through his IRA, then he might lose the tax-deferred status of his IRA. Tom believes that if Bruce was both working in his IRA for retirement investments, and out of it for business use, then it would be hard for the government to label Bruce’s IRA as a business. However, if Bruce was retired, and he only purchased and sold properties through his IRA, then the government may perceive Bruce to be running a business through his IRA. You should consult with your CPA to determine whether or not you will be subject to taxes.

A disqualified person is a term in the Internal Revenue Code 4975 which defines certain entities as people you cannot perform transactions with. The government does not want you to touch your IRA assets, because they want your assets to be there when you retire. So you cannot buy a condo in a vacation spot with your IRA, and then use that condo on the weekends. Disqualified persons include yourself, your spouse, your children, and the spouses of your children. Most people in your family are considered disqualified persons, except for siblings, nephews and uncles. If you deal with a sibling or nephew, you should not offer them less than market rates. Giving a member of your family the benefit of low payments through an IRA asset could be considered self dealing.

Bruce heard an unusual example of someone who was taxed for self dealing. An investor owned a commercial building, and his IRA owned the let next to it. The investor would park in the lot next door, and that was considered illegal personal use. You are not allowed to gain a personal benefit from your IRA while the IRA is growing. If a mistake like this occurs, you have 14 days to correct it. However, if the custodian was the cause of the mistake, then you can argue in court that the custodian should be held responsible.

Tom’s company will not accept any member that is not a part of a regulated institution. If he did not check to determine whether or not his members were being regulated, many bad people would have the opportunity to deal through them. A non-regulated company may enter into an agreement with a bank who is a custodian. All banks, credit unions and trust companies are automatically qualified to hold IRAs. If you are not one of those institutions, then you must be authorized by the IRS. There are 257 mutual fund companies, insurance companies, and broker dealers that are licensed by the IRS.

It is good business to protect the consumer, and the government supports that mentality. PENSCO will not help someone enter into a prohibited transaction. If a lender was involved in a prohibited transaction on an IRA, then they would be subject to a 15% tax on the amount of the transaction. So a lender that made a $100,000 bill would receive a $15,000 bill. If the lender was not aware of the prohibited transaction, then they may be exempt from the tax.

When an investor is told that he cannot buy a property from himself with his IRA, he may get the idea of having a friend buy his property, and then re-buying from his friend. However, this is still considered an illegal transaction. This is considered a linked transaction by the IRS. You will not go to jail for performing a transaction like this unless you fail to pay the penalty taxes. However, the IRS tends to not inform you of your mistakes until 3 years later, so you can get caught off guard if you are not careful.

If you buy a property through your IRA while using your brother as a lender, you will not be taxed so long as your brother does not receive more than his regular fee.

A Prohibited Transaction Exemption (PTE) is a request submitted to the Department of Labor when you anticipate that your potential transaction may be prohibited. A PTE is usually granted on the basis that there is no increase or decrease in value because of the transaction. You cannot submit a PTE after the transaction takes place. The exemption comes in writing, so the Good Day rule does not apply.

There are some custodians who offer check book IRAs. Tom believes this practice will probably be extinct soon. There are only two custodians Tom knows of that will do check book IRAs, and PENSCO is one of them.

Tom’s website is www.penscotrust.com

For more information about The Norris Group’s California hard money loans or our California Trust Deed investments, visit the website or call our office at 951-780-5856 for more information. For upcoming California real estate investor training and events, visit The Norris Group website and our California investor calendar. You’ll also find our award-winning real estate radio show on KTIE 590am at 6pm on Saturdays or you can listen to over 170 podcasts in our free investor radio archive.

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203-TNG Radio – Tom Anderson 12-04-10

Friday, December 3rd, 2010

Tom Anderson

Chairman and Founder of PENSCO Trust Company


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This week Bruce is joined by Tom Anderson. Tom is the chairman and founder of PENSCO Trust Company. He is considered by many to be the national expert on the topic of self directed IRAs. He focuses on how investors can increase their wealth-building potential with real estate and private equity investments. He has written articles for nearly all nations and financial magazines. He was recently invited to Washington as part of the “Future of Finance Initiative” for the Obama Administration.

Tom has been in the banking business for 41 years and in the self-directed investment business for 22. The government is paying more attention to retirement issues, because there is concern over social security. Unfortunately, we are still in the dark ages in regards to knowledge of self directed investments. Many people are surprised by the idea that you can buy mutual funds with your retirement account. Many Americans are unhappy with being locked into their 401Ks, other pension plans, and other IRAs. Those retirement plans only offer a limited range of investments, and most of the options are related to Wall Street, which many people have lost a lot of money on recently. The only commodity that hasn’t taken much damage is gold, but Tom thinks most people didn’t get into Gold until after it had already experienced increases, so gold probably won’t be a good long term investment.

When Tom was in Washington, he was surprised by how interested the government was in hearing about his industry. The Retirement Industry Trust Association, which represents 90% of the self-directed custodians in the U.S., was invited to write a white paper on the need for more diversification in retirement accounts. Unfortunately, many of the government workers that Tom was speaking to before have been replace, so he has some influential ground to recover. He does feel though that the government in general has become more open to new ideas on improving retirement savings. As the president of the RITA, it is Tom’s goal to use any opportunity to discuss retirement issues with the government.

IRAs were created in 1974 as part of the ERISA Act. You could self direct an IRA back then. You could buy real estate in New Zealand if you desired to, but most people weren’t aware of that, because the securities and mutual fund companies began lobbying against real estate as a prudent retirement investment plan.

Real estate is a great long term investment. Real estate generally out paces the stock market on a long term basis. In California, you can buy properties that cashflow. When there is a down turn, it’s a great time to take advantage of real estate and ride the curve up.

Before 1974, there were pension plans but no IRAs. One of the reasons IRAs were created was because trustees were abusing their privileges. The trustees were spending the money they received to buy yachts and they would frequently lose the money given to them. Because of this, the government felt it was necessary to allow people to save on their own.

Self-directed is a frequently misunderstood word. IRAs are IRas regardless of where they are held, and the rules are dictated by the IRS. Depending on where the IRA is held, the custodian may limit what an investor can do with their IRA. There are two types of self-directed IRAs. The first is known as a self-directed brokerage account. With a self-directed brokerage account, you can pick from stocks and mutual funds to invest in, but you cannot invest in real estate or private equity. The other type of IRA allows you to invest in anything permitted by law. Some of Tom’s clients have bought companies in Spain and properties in New Zealand. When you buy outside the country, you have to consider the exchange differences. If the foreign monetary value increases against the U.S. dollar, then you can profit from both the investment and the monetary change.

There is a level of sophistication required to invest in certain categories. Tom encourages people to stick to what they know. If you own a gas station and know about gas as an investment, then you may want to use your IRA to invest in another gas station.

There are some laws regarding who and how you can deal with your IRA. There is that limits one’s ability to work with more than 3 unaccredited investors. In some cases, you cannot work with any unaccredited investors. To be an accredited investor you must have a minimum net worth of $1 million, and at least $200,000 in income for the last two years. The SEC may change their definition of “accredited investor”. Tom believes the requirements for an accredited investor will increase, because many people have lost money in stocks and private equity.

If someone wants to buy a trust deed or rental unit, they are free to do that, even if they only have $80,000 in their account.

Tom believes that IRAs are a great form of capital formation in the U.S. PENSCO started out with no assets and now has $3 billion worth of assets. PENSCO is also now funding thousands of companies that could not be started without IRAs, because they couldn’t get funding from traditional sources. There are about $4 trillion in IRA accounts.

Tom had a client who opened a $300 ROTH IRA. His company charges a $375 fee, so Tom knew the client must have had a plan. The client instructed PENSCO to send a $10 check to a lawyer in order to consummate a real estate option contract. This contract gave them the right for 30 days to buy property from a developer. The developer needed cash for $350,000. While the contract was being negotiated, the client found a buyer for a property for $525,000. Once he took the $525,000 from the buyer, he paid the seller $350,000, and moved the profit into his IRA account.

A ROTH IRA offers tax free growth for life and a great rate of return. One of Tom’s clients started a ROTH IRA with $1,800. This client used his ROTH IRA to develop a successful venture, and in 2002, that client cashed out with $32 million. He then took that $32 million and invested in other start ups. He has now increased his IRA holdings into 9 digit levels. Bruce thinks it is hard to believe that the IRS isn’t suspicious of this kind of tax free profit. Tom explains that this client helped create thousands of jobs. This fortunate client stimulated the economy and created tax revenue. 40% of new jobs are from start ups, and 70% are from small, private companies.

We still have 35 days to take advantage of a one time opportunity. Your IRA is now a portable pension plan, and can be converted into a ROTH IRA regardless of your income. Before 2006, this was not allowed. Before January 2010, if you made more than $100,000, you were prohibited from such conversions. You also have the opportunity this year to do the conversion to ROTH IRA and defer the taxation on the converted amount to 2011 and 2012. This means that if you convert in 2010, then in 2011 you must claim 50% of the converted amount on your income. The other 50% of the 2010 amount must be claimed in 2012. If you are expecting to be in a lower tax bracket in the future, this is a great opportunity for you. The government is very supportive of these conversions, because they get to collect the tax upfront.

If you bought assets that are currently depreciating, and if you have these assets in your IRA, then you can convert to a ROTH IRA and pay tax at a lower amount. This can allow those assets some time to recover. It is much better to convert a depreciated asset than an appreciated asset.

Capital gains rules do not apply within an IRA. When you take money out of an IRA, that money is taxed at a normal rate. However, if you have a ROTH IRA that has existed for 5 years, and if you are at age 59 and a half, then you can take out all your money tax free.

If you have a traditional IRA, at age 70 and a half, you have to take out minimum distributions. However, if you have a ROTH IRA, you can leave the money in the IRA as long as you want, and you can leave it to your children after you have died. There is also no estate tax, because the taxes have already been paid.

The use of leverage to purchase real estate is allowed with a ROTH IRA. It is possible to borrow up to 70% on any income producing property types on an IRA. You must put at least 30% down on the property though, because if the loan is recourse, then you would be self-dealing, which is prohibited. The 70% limit is according to bank policy, and they have had great success with this limit. They have very few foreclosures. Rates for loans are generally two points above prime. Many things can be negotiated as well.

There is actually a rule which allows you to bail out you IRA. If you got a 70% loan on a $100,000 house, and you put $30,000 down with your IRA. If you lose your tenant, and you do not have enough money in your IRA to make the payment, then you would typically be foreclosed on. In this kind of situation, there is a Department of Labor provision called AD-26, which allows you to lend money to your own IRA without limitation, so long as the money is being used to bail out the IRA account.

For more information about The Norris Group’s California hard money loans or our California Trust Deed investments, visit the website or call our office at 951-780-5856 for more information. For upcoming California real estate investor training and events, visit The Norris Group website and our California investor calendar. You’ll also find our award-winning real estate radio show on KTIE 590am at 6pm on Saturdays or you can listen to over 170 podcasts in our free investor radio archive.

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200-TNG Radio – Alvarez, Cantu, & Solis 11-13-10

Friday, November 12th, 2010

Tony Alvarez

Veteran Investor

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Mike Cantu

Veteran Investor

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Rick  Solis

Veteran Investor, Appraiser

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This week Bruce is joined by Mike Cantu, Rick Solis and Tony Alvarez. Mike Cantu has been an investor in the Inland Empire for over 25 years. He has been a builder, rehabber and property manager. Rick Solis appraises all of The Norris Group’s loans, and he is also an investor. Tony Alvarez has been an appraiser, residential and commercial property buyer and author. This is The Norris Group’s 200th radio show.

Bruce begins by asking Mike about what he learned from the 90s that helped in the most recent down turn. All things come full circle. A good market will eventually become a bad market. The down turn took longer this time, but it hit much harder. Sales dropped off the cliff, but fortunately, Mike began preparing for the down turn in 2004. Tony agrees with Mike.

During the evening of Obama’s election, a newsletter was put out, which was titled “Obama Administration Sings New Tune on Foreclosures”. The article is laughable. The media went from saying “no foreclosures” to “foreclosures are the answer to this problem”.

Rick began investing in 1989. He was not very active in the 90s. The main thing he learned from the 90s was that you can miss many opportunities when you ignore the market. A lot of people are afraid of the market right now, but Rick won’t let that fear control his investing plans.

Bruce believes that fear certainly is affecting the market now. People are afraid to buy properties despite the fact that prices have dropped 50% and interest rates are historically low. Its hard to believe that not buying could be perceived as a rational decision. Rick Solis has never seen a better time to buy houses since he began investing. Bruce definitely believes that it is the best time to buy and hold.

Tony just bought a completely rehabbed duplex. In 2007, it sold for $175,000, but he bought it for $35,000. The saddest part is that the duplex sold with multiple offers. The reason why so many people are afraid of buying is because they are paying too much attention to the media’s opinion.

Mike knows many investors, but only a small number of them are still investing. The number one problem that caused them to fall out of investing is their overly expensive life style. A lot of people learned how to make money in real estate, but not many people learned how to keep it. The investor pool has shrunken significantly. Many people would like to invest in real estate right now, but they made bad decisions at the top of the market, which handicapped them from buying. Mike agreed with Rick and Tony when they said that now is the time to buy.

Mike is a fairly frugal person. Bruce laughed when he saw Mike’s 1998 Toyota truck. It has 441,000 miles, but it runs like a champ. When a dog gets old, you don’t get rid of it, you just take better care of it. Mike has a hard time spending money on a vehicle when you can get a rental house for the cost of a new car. Every time Mike sets money aside for a new truck he ends up spending it to buy a new house, and he realizes that his truck is just fine.

Mike’s daughter recently began investing in real estate. Mike helped her develop a 5 year plan for buying cash flow houses in good neighborhoods. Their goal is to help her get $3,500 of cash flow per month, and they are half way there.

If Tony could have done anything differently throughout his career, he would have focused harder on one segment of the market place. He wishes he had been more aware of the value of his time. Tony spent a lot of time driving to deals that didn’t have much potential.

Tony prefers to buy and sell, but he currently owns 40 rentals. Before the peak, he had 100 homes. He wanted to get out before the peak, but Bruce encouraged him to not sell for another 3 years. Bruce’s advice helped Tony gain an extra $3 million in profit. Tony is now buying some of the same houses that he sold near the peak. In the past, Tony would buy almost any property he could. Some of the properties he bought and sold were in such a terrible condition that they have now been destroyed. He doesn’t buy properties that are that terrible any more, but he is still willing to buy wood structure homes and other properties that people tend to stray away from.

If Rick could have done anything differently in his career, he would have sold all his properties by 2006. Rick has accumulated quite a few properties, and he is glad to have them, but he is not looking forward to managing them.

Mike chose not to sell his properties despite the fact that values were sinking, and he does not regret that decision at all. Mike got into real estate for the cash flow, so that all his expenses would be taken care of. He knows people who are struggling right now and have to make a deal every month to keep food on the table. The value of his rental properties is immaterial to him. He has not had to reduce rents by any more than $50, and he has had no difficulty in keeping them occupied.

Mike was the person who introduced Tony to the concept of exchanged junky homes for quality rental homes. Exchanging for quality rental properties allows you to keep rentals in competitive areas, and it helps reduce the amount of time spent on property management.

Bruce has learned a lot from observing the business models of other people. When Mike told Bruce that he wanted to obtain 10 rental properties, Bruce decided to try and do the same. Having free and clear properties gives you sanity when making investment decisions. If you are playing catch up on equity, or if you are relying on today’s deals to pay tomorrow’s meals, you tend to make riskier decisions. Bruce and Mike don’t have to make potentially risky decisions because they both have enough cash flow to get by.

One of the big differences that Tony has noticed between 2010 and 2009 is that many investors have left his market. Also, approximately 80% of his purchases went from being new listings from agent calls to pending deals. Fifty percent of the deals occurring in Tony’s area fall out of escrow 1 to 3 times. This has caused Tony to become more cautious when buying. He has dropped his rents by 20% in the last 12 months. He has also lost some of his tenants.

Rick noticed that when the stimulus program was going on, entry level properties experienced up to a 10% increase in value. Moreno Valley and Corona had a big increase in activity. That 10% increase has now disappeared. Rick will not buy a house right now unless the deal can work as a rental. Many investors have recently bought homes they thought would easily resell, and they are now stuck with them. Bruce will not buy a home on leased land.

From the beginning of 2009 to the end, we went from a period of market uncertainty to confidence. In 2008, Mike decided not to do a retail deals unless he could keep those houses as rentals. Mike does not use any July comps any more; comps must be within the months of August, September and October. There is a 5 to 20% difference between homes being sold now and homes sold in July.

Mike believes there are still a lot of people who will not accept the fact that their home values have significantly decreased. A lot of the private market is still in denial.

Rick invests primarily in Rialto, Hesperia and Victorville. Rick and his business partner work with rehab properties. He rents his properties slightly below market value and they are in good shape, so he has a lot of demand. Many times he has a security deposit and a tenant lined up before he closes escrow. He does not have any trouble with rents dropping. His typical house is a 3 bedroom, 2 bath. He loves it when he can squeeze a 4th bedroom into the house by cutting the living room in half. He usually rents the 3 bedroom houses for $1,000, and the 4 bedroom houses for $1,100.

For more information about The Norris Group’s California hard money loans or our California Trust Deed investments, visit the website or call our office at 951-780-5856 for more information. For upcoming California real estate investor training and events, visit The Norris Group website and our California investor calendar. You’ll also find our award-winning real estate radio show on KTIE 590am at 6pm on Saturdays or you can listen to over 170 podcasts in our free investor radio archive.

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The Norris Group Real Estate News Roundup 8/20/10

Sunday, August 22nd, 2010

Video Blog Sources:

Mortgage News Daily – “Mortgage Rates End Losing Streak After Reprices for Better” (8-19-10)

Wall Street Jounral –  “Redfin: Less Than Half of All Home-Sale Attempts Successful in ‘09” (8-16-10)

Housing Wire – “Bankrate: Loan Closing Costs Jump 36.6% Year-Over-Year” (8-17-10)

Housing Wire – “TransUnion: Housing Begins to Stabilize as Delinquent Loans Fall in Q210” (8-17-10)

DQ News – “Southern California Home Sales and Median Price Dip in July” (8-17-10)

Wall Street Journal – “Mortgage Delinquency Runs Slightly Higher in Dems’ Districts″ (8-19-10)

Today’s News Synopsis:

MDA Dataquick’s monthly study shows 6,773 new and resale homes closed escrows in Northern California last month. In the entire state, 35,202 new and resale houses and condos were sold. The California State Assembly approved SB 1178, which will extend anti-deficiency protection for consumers who have refinanced their original mortgage loans. The Census Bureau reports the number of people who own their homes free and clear has decreased, and the number of people in reverse mortgages increased 59 percent.

In The News:

Los Angeles Times – “Professional investors move into flipping foreclosed homes” (8-20-10)

“Hoping there are big profits to be made in the aftermath of California’s housing collapse, professional investors are flocking to the business of buying foreclosed homes at distressed prices. The investors, primarily private equity funds and groups of wealthy individuals, purchase the homes at public auctions, which are held daily on the steps of local courthouses. They refurbish the properties and try to sell them for quick profits.”

DQNews - “Bay Area July Home Sales Down Sharply; Median Price Slips From June” (8-19-10)

“Last month a total of 6,773 new and resale homes closed escrows in the nine-county Bay Area, down 19.1 percent from 8,373 in June and down 22.8 percent from 8,771 in July 2009, according to MDA DataQuick of San Diego.”

DQNews - “California July Home Sales” (8-19-10)

“An estimated 35,202 new and resale houses and condos were sold statewide last month. That was down 19.9 percent from 43,964 in June, and down 21.9 percent from 45,079 for July 2009. California sales for the month of July have varied from a low of 30,596 in 1995 to a peak of 71,186 in 2004, the average is 47,093. MDA DataQuick’s statistics go back to 1988.”

CBIA - “California Housing Affordability Declines in Second Quarter, CBIA Announces” (8-19-10)

“On a statewide basis, the HOI found that a family earning the median income could have afforded 58.4 percent of the new and existing homes that were sold during the second quarter, down from 60.8 percent in the first quarter.”

CAR - “California State Assembly passes SB 1178 protecting homeowners” (8-19-10)

“The California State Assembly today approved SB 1178 (D-Corbett) by a 49 to 14 vote, extending anti-deficiency protection for consumers who have refinanced their original mortgage loans and now are facing foreclosure. The CALIFORNIA ASSOCIATION OF REALTORS® (C.A.R.) is the sponsor of the consumer-protection legislation.”

Housing Wire - “Commercial Real Estate Hit with 41% Price Drop, Soaring Delinquencies” (8-20-10)

“National property prices on commercial real estate dropped 9.1% in June from last year, according to Moody’s commercial property price index. The rate declined 0.9% over the first half of 2010, and while prices remain 4.2% above the current recession low of October, they are down 41.4% from the peak in October 2007.”

Housing Wire – “Census Bureau Reports 59% Rise in Reverse Mortgages as Overall Ownership Falls” (8-20-10)

“The nation’s homeowners paid a median of $1,000 in monthly housing costs in 2009, while renters paid a median of $808 per month, according to the 2009 American Housing Survey released Thursday by the US Census Bureau and the US Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD). Compared to 2007, the number of homeowners that owned their home free and clear decreased 1.3% to 24.2m in 2009 from 24.9m. The amount of regular and home-equity mortgages increased 1.4% to 50.3m from 48.7 in 2007. Reverse mortgages increased 59% to 252,000 from 159,000 while line of credit options decreased to 1.7m from 1.8m.”

Housing Wire – “REO Listing Agents – The Helping Hand That Isn’t Always There” (8-20-10)

“In some cases, interested buyers have been ignored (as documented in ‘secret shopper’ campaigns). This is not to suggest that all or even most of the REO listing agents are doing a poor job, it is to suggest that as volume levels to some agents has increased there may be a direct correlation to declining service levels that should be understood.”

Inman - “Don’t buy Fannie-Freddie ‘Big Lie’” (8-20-10)

“While the Fed and the Obama administration insist that recovery is moving forward, the pattern of inbound data produces the same, queasy sensation as their denial in the fall of 2007 and the summer of 2008. New unemployment insurance claims hit a one-year high, to 500,000 last week. There was no dramatic spike, just steady deterioration. The Philadelphia Fed index yesterday stunned the remaining optimists: Expected to rise from a weak 5.1 in June, it fell to negative 7.7, weakest in new-order and employment components.”

Inman - “Mortgage rates go lower” (8-20-10)

“Rates on fixed-rate mortgages tracked by Freddie Mac hit new lows this week, with 30-year fixed-rate loans averaging 4.42 percent with an average of 0.7 point. That’s down from 4.44 percent last week and 5.12 percent at the same time a year ago, and is a new low in records dating to 1971.”

Looking Back:

One year ago, the delinquency rate for residential mortgages increased to 9.24%. A home buyer survey showed that 70% of women made up their mind to buy the day they first saw a home for sale, vs. 62% of men. 55% of women place more importance on living closer to extended family than to their job; only 37% of men felt the same way.

For more information about The Norris Group’s California hard money loans or our California Trust Deed investments, visit the website or call our office at 951-780-5856 for more information. For upcoming California real estate investor training and events, visit The Norris Group website and our California investor event calendar. You’ll also find our award-winning real estate radio show on KTIE 590am at 6pm on Saturdays or you can listen to over 170 podcasts in our free investor radio archive.

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The Norris Group Real Estate News Roundup 8/13/10

Friday, August 13th, 2010

Video Blog Sources:

ABC News – “Housing Summit May Yield Fannie and Freddie Clues” (8-12-10) To air on  Treasury website Tuesday.

Sacramento Bee –  “Californias’ Income Falls For First Time Since WWII” (8-11-10)

Los Angeles Times – “Fed to resume buying Treasury bonds” (8-11-10)

Foreclosure Radar Report – www.foreclosureradar.com

Inman – “FHA premium changes pushed to Oct. 4″ (8-12-10)

Today’s News Synopsis:

Equity from the boom has now disappeared and many homeowners are deciding not to pay what they owe. Builders are shrinking the size of new projects as fewer consumers want McMansions. Moody’s sees increasing weakness in the commercial market and the U.S. government appears not to be sure how to move forward to avoid the much talked about double dip recession.

In The News:

New York Times – “Debts Rise, and Go Unpaid, as Bust Erodes Home Equity” (8-11-10)

“During the great housing boom, homeowners nationwide borrowed a trillion dollars from banks, using the soaring value of their houses as security. Now the money has been spent and struggling borrowers are unable or unwilling to pay it back.”

RisMedia – “Builders Shrink Homes to Fit Buyers’ Newly Modest Tastes” (8-13-10)

“I do believe the younger generation isn’t looking to build mansions anymore,” Palazzolo said. “They are looking at simpler lives. They aren’t looking for the same houses that the baby boomers were.”

AP – “Homes lost to foreclosure up 6 pct from last year” (8-12-10)

“The number of U.S. homes lost to foreclosure surged in July, another sign lenders are moving quicker to take back properties from homeowners behind in payments. Lenders repossessed 92,858 properties last month, up 9 percent from June and an increase of 6 percent from July 2009, foreclosure listing firm RealtyTrac Inc. said Thursday.”

Market Watch – “Monetary policy in a time of deleveraging” (8-11-10)

“The U.S. economy is on the edge of the cliff, threatening to plunge back into ruinous recession, but the worst part is that Washington won’t do anything to stop it. ”

Bloomberg - “Related News:Opinion · Insurance · Retail .U.S. Is Bankrupt and We Don’t Even Know It: Laurence Kotlikoff” (8-10-10)

“Let’s get real. The U.S. is bankrupt. Neither spending more nor taxing less will help the country pay its bills.”

Housing Wire – “Fifth Third Converts 70% of HAMP Trials to Permanent Status” (8-13-10)

“Fifth Third Mortgage Co., the mortgage unit of Fifth Third Bancorp, so far converted 70% of its trial Home Affordable Modification Program (HAMP) plans into permanent modifications.”

Housing Wire – “Moody’s Sees CMBS Delinquency Poised to Rise 9%-11% in 12 Months” (8-13-10)

“Moody’s Investors Service expects the share of commercial mortgage-backed securities loans that are delinquent or in special servicing to continue to rise over the next year. Analysts expect delinquencies to increase by 9% to 11% during the next 12 months with loans in special servicing climbing to about 20%, which would be up from the current 11.3% and 5% a year ago.”

For more information about The Norris Group’s California hard money loans or our California Trust Deed investments, visit the website or call our office at 951-780-5856 for more information. For upcoming California real estate investor training and events, visit The Norris Group website and our California investor calendar. You’ll also find our award-winning real estate radio show on KTIE 590am at 6pm on Saturdays or you can listen to over 170 podcasts in our free investor radio archive.

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183-TNG Radio – Tony Alvarez 7-17-10

Friday, July 16th, 2010

Tony-Alvarez

Tony Alvarez

Author and Investor

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This week Bruce is joined by Tony Alvarez. Tony is a successful investor. He now lectures inside and outside California. Tony is the author of Breaking Into The REO Business. How I Went From Bankruptcy to $7.2 Million in 7 Years While Making Friends.

After the Multi-Millionaire event, Tony spent five years writing his book. Some self proclaimed real estate educators are using things like infomercials to rip people off. Tony was speaking in Vegas some time ago, and while he was there, he heard a story from a young man who spent $40,000 on real estate classes. When this young man was later sent the list of all the classes he paid for, he realized that they were taking place in different states, and he had no way to pay for the traveling expenses. Tony has met many people who are paying large sums of money to learn about real estate, and many of them are being scammed.

You do not need to pay $15,000 to learn how to buy a house. Tony’s book is 25 dollars. You can check out Tony and his website at www.tonyalvarez.com. Tony put a lot of effort into writing this book, and if you can get past the first 10 pages of his book without understanding that he really wants to help you, then you are missing the point. Tony only teaches about what he knows, and Tony knows all about the REO business. 95 percent of the houses he has bought were been bought using REO agents.

The third section of Tony’s book is called “14 distinctions for the lazy and incompetent.” Tony works very hard at what he does. Bruce thinks that Tony’s definition of “lazy” can be more easily translated to “efficient.” Tony focuses his attention on what he knows well, and he kicks everything else to the curb. Tony retires when the REO business is not performing well.

Tony was ready to sell his investment houses 3 years before the last peak. Before Tony sold his houses, Bruce advised him to hold on for a little longer. Three years later, near the end of the real estate boom, Bruce advised Tony to sell. Tony made 3 million dollars by taking Bruce’s advice. Tony claims that Bruce Norris makes a millionaire nearly every day he teaches. After Tony sold his houses, he bought two homes near rivers, and spent two and a half years on vacation. Tony works really hard when he works, and when he is done working, he stops completely.

When Bruce speaks at an event, he often gets an ovation afterwards. Bruce has noticed that every time Tony speaks at an event, Tony has a line of people trying to hug him afterwards. That is not a typical response.

Some people might feel intimidated by Tony, because they do not feel that they can compete with his personality. Tony interviewed the REO agents he worked with, and he discovered some of the reasons they chose to work with him. Perhaps the most important reason why these agents chose to work with Tony is because he never lied to them regardless of the consequences. When Tony had a problem with a deal that an agent gave him, he would schedule a meeting with them so that he could personally explain to them why he refused. Tony always explained to his agents what he needed in order to take a deal. Tony does not like telling agents that he does not want a deal; he tells them that he will take the deal when the numbers work for him.

When Tony interviewed 3 of his agents, they told him that they want to be told the truth, and they want investors to treat them pleasantly. An agent’s job is frequently unpleasant, because they have to evict families and they have their asset managers constantly complaining about their inability to sell quickly. Agents receive 30 calls a day from investors who want to buy foreclosures. You need to solve a problem for them. You cannot buy yourself a relationship if you only call for properties that will earn you an easy profit. If you do that, you will only be called for bad deals. You have to care about the agent’s success as much as your own.

Even an agent’s best investors sometimes cause problems. There are times where an experience agent will back out of a deal in the middle of escrow, because they discovered that a deal was not as good as they thought it was. Once you make a commitment to a deal, you need to stick with it regardless of the outcome. Never complain when a deal does not work out to your benefit.

You do not build relationships at the same speed you perform your business. Building a relationship takes more time. Building a relationship requires you to pay attention to the needs of another individual. Tony does research on the agents he works with. He discovered that some of them had children who belonged to baseball teams, so he donated money to the teams and bought from their candy fundraisers.

If relationships are not getting deeper, they are probably falling away. Realtors are going to first call you with their worst deals. You have to explain to them why you cannot do those deals unless they can get the numbers to work. Doing this will set you up for your first great deal.

When Tony buys a property from an agent, he will come back to that agent when it is time to sell that property. Other agents take notice to this kind of business. When the market peaked last time, Tony’s agents had no idea that he had obtained that many properties from them, and they were blown away. When he asked them to help sell those same properties, some of them were even jealous. Tony explained to them that he could not have obtained these properties without them.

Always thank the agents responsible for your success, both privately and publicly. When other agents notice you doing this, they start asking questions about what you’ve done. One of the agents that Tony worked with gained $500,000 in commissions within weeks, because the properties sold so fast. Tony did not have to do that, but in his mind, that is the only fair way to do business. The 1980s version of Tony would not have done this. Back then, Tony would have been selling his properties on his own, and squeezing every penny from the Realtors he worked with.

Tony states in his book that he is “relentless in loving the people [he] meets.” Tony believes that if he is not doing this, then he is not doing his job. Tony does not feel alive when he is not doing that. When you are kind to someone, it positively affects yourself, the person you are kind to, and the witness. Tony believes in a Creator, and he believes that if the Creator created you with that kind response to love, then you should not ignore it. The love you give others will increase your own happiness, and Tony does not believe that there is any other true recipe for success.

Tony’s book is called Breaking Into The REO Business. How I Went From Bankruptcy to $7.2 Million in 7 Years While Making Friends.

For more information about The Norris Group’s California hard money loans or our California Trust Deed investments, visit the website or call our office at 951-780-5856 for more information. For upcoming California real estate investor training and events, visit The Norris Group website and our California investor calendar. You’ll also find our award-winning real estate radio show on KTIE 590am at 6pm on Saturdays or you can listen to over 170 podcasts in our free investor radio archive.

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177-TNG Radio – Rick Solis 6-5-10

Friday, June 4th, 2010

Rick Solis

Appraiser and Investor

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This week Bruce is joined once again by Rick Solis. Rick wears many hats. He is a real estate investor, he is the appraiser for all of TNG’s hard money loans, and he occasionally trains people to appraise in TNG’s REO investing boot camps.

Rick bought his first house a week after his 20th birthday. This house was in Montclair. He sold it at the peak of the market, but then 10-31 exchanged the money from that property into another one, and eventually lost all the profit. He owed approximately $250,000 for the Montclair property in 1988, and he sold it for $450,000. He was paying for the home with the tenant, so they split the profit earning $100,000 each. In 1988, he read the Robert Allen books. Using that information, he found a realtor who helped him get a loan for this house.

The books Rick read helped him to think creatively about investment. However, Rick no longer uses creative investment techniques. Today, Rick is primarily concerned with buying properties below market. When you invest creatively, you usually owe 100 percent of what it is worth, and you do not have an equity option.

Rick and Bruce first met at a Nick Manfredi meeting in which Bruce spoke. Bruce was offering a deal on his product Selling Systems. Rick bought the book, and liked it so much that he came back and bought the rest of Bruce’s books.

Rick had a difficult time building an investment relationship with Bruce. The first time Rick asked Bruce to help him invest in a property, Rick was looking at a 5-unit property in San Bernardino. After describing the property, Bruce simply said, “No, that is not something I would be interested in.” Bruce thinks he might need to do a better job of explaining his decisions in the future. The reason why Bruce was not interested in this property was because he had previously tried buying similar properties in San Bernardino and that experience did not end well. Sometimes investors just get used to a specific niche and choose not to work with anything else.

Bruce bought a lot of 4-plexes in Moreno Valley during the 1990s. He sold these properties for $139,000, and their value peaked at $600,000. One of these properties recently opened for bid at a trustee sale for 1 dollar. This type of property has a tendency to cause a domino effect for other similar properties in the area; when one goes bad the rest usually follow. A lot of towns just tear these properties down.

Rick met Andrea at a book store in 2003. Rick told Andrea about Bruce’s boot camp, and she decided to attend it. At that time, the boot camp was pretty basic, but it told you exactly what you need to know when buying houses.

In the past, Rick advertised through the newspaper. Andrea advertised through letter campaigns. When Rick started working with Andrea, they were doing 1,000 letters per week, and they averaged 4 to 6 houses per month using this method. Their business relationship worked to their advantage, because some people do not want to work with men, and others do not want to work with women. Rick and Andrea have very different selling strategies. Rick’s selling strategy is straight forward; he looks at what you have and gives you an offer. Andrea can sell anything to anyone, even at a discounted price. Andrea’s ability to sell is more than a technique, it is a natural gift.

The longer Rick and Andrea did letter campaigns, the harder it got. When they first started they could find plenty of people with just a couple hundred, but by 2007 the lettering campaign become too expensive to pay for itself.

Most of the properties they bought were flipped in 2006. One of these properties was flipped to Bruce’s auction, and it worked very well for Rick. Unfortunately, the auctioning business did not work well for Bruce. Bruce started an auctioning business with high hopes, but discovered that it was very difficult to attract buyers. Rick tried helping Bruce by wearing TNG t-shirts and posting signs, but he was only able to get a couple people to attend his auction.

At the end of the boom, Rick got cocky because of how easy it was to buy and sell. Rick decided to 10-31 exchange into other properties in order to avoid taxes. Unfortunately, he reinvested too much and he lost a lot of the profit he gained from his California properties. Next time, Rick plans to just sell his properties, pay the taxes, and live happily with that.

Rick finds all his properties through the MLS. Sometimes agents bring deals to Rick. Lots of investors are entering the real estate business. About ¾ of the buyers are investors now. Unfortunately, many investor offers do not close. Some agents are now refusing to accept offers from investors now, because of the bad reputation investors now have for not closing.

Right now, the best-working strategy for Rick seems to be driving around and looking at properties. He does this 1 day per week, and Andrea does this 3 days per week. They both buy 3 properties per month. They hold 2/3 of them as rentals, and they intend to sell them as prices increase. After the next price increase, Rick intends to sell all of his properties and stop.

Rick and Andrea invest in the High Desert area. There are not many resale opportunities in that area, so they are primarily renting there. Many of the people in that area have bad credit, and will probably always be renters. Andrea has a sixth sense for knowing when a person is going to be a good renter. She is able to meet the potential renters, look at their application, call their employers and their landlords to see if they will be good renters for Rick and her.

Rick decided to quit investing in real estate around 2007, but Andrea continued. Andrea got great deals on six houses last year, and she was able to convince Rick to start investing again.

Business is completely different now. It is a much bigger challenge now to deal with owners and resale. Rick thinks this aspect of the business will become easier in the coming years.

Rick has been using his IRA to invest in mortgages since 2000. He began using his IRA to invest in houses since 2003.

Rick’s target rental property is less than half an acre. Properties with lots of land have a tendency to collect lots of junk. He prefers single story houses, and he is completely uninterested in rental properties with pools. Rick does not like investing in houses built before 1978, and he prefers the house’s square feet to be between 1,000 to 1,800.

In the High Desert, Rick typically gets 1 house for every 10 offers he makes. In areas near Fontana and Corona, Rick typically gets 1 house for every 50 offers. Rick does not make offers before he has seen the home and made repair estimates.

Rick likes Tony Alvarez’s business model, because Tony gets properties to cash flow. Rick does not like the buying, fixing, and selling business model right now, because it is very difficult to get to the finish line with a first time buyer, FHA loan, two appraisals and a review appraisal.

For more information about The Norris Group’s California hard money loans or our California Trust Deed investments, visit the website or call our office at 951-780-5856 for more information. For upcoming California real estate investor training and events, visit The Norris Group website and our California investor calendar. You’ll also find our award-winning real estate radio show on KTIE 590am at 6pm on Saturdays or you can listen to over 170 podcasts in our free investor radio archive.

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176-TNG Radio – Rick Solis 5-29-10

Friday, May 28th, 2010

Rick Solis

Appraiser and Investor

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This week Bruce is joined by Rick Solis. Rick wears many hats. He is a real estate investor, he is the appraiser for all of The Norris Group’s California hard money loans, and he occasionally trains people to appraise in The Norris Group’s REO boot camps.

Rick started appraising because his mother was a loan processor when he was a teenager. He was also interested in investing, but he was overpaying for properties. He began appraising to become a better investor. When he first began his appraising career, the only thing you needed to be an appraiser was a clipboard and a tape measurer. However, Rick believes that appraisal qualities were better back then than now with all the education requirements. In the past, appraisers had to be approved by each bank you wanted to appraise for, and you had to submit six work samples to prove you were able to do the job. Once licensing came into play, the banks eased off of those restrictions.

Rick closed escrow on his first house 1 week after his 20th birthday. Rick became attracted to the real estate business because of infomercials from Dave Deldado and Robert Allen.

Rick enjoys working with hard money lenders, because they actually want to know what the property is worth and what is wrong with it. That is the complete opposite of an A-paper appraisal job. All people involved in the A-paper transaction, other than the investor, do not want to know that information, because that information can kill the deals. Information like termite problems cannot be disclosed on an appraisal.

The investor is typically a private person with money, but you can also have a hard money loan with a different kind of intent. Some lenders are pressured to provide lenders with a specific appraisal value. Rick has had this experience with lenders in the past. Those lenders put a lot of pressure on appraisers, but he does not receive that kind of pressure from The Norris Group’s loan processor. Craig, TNG’s loan processor, would rather skip a deal than skew appraisal values.

In May, HVCC was passed. This new rule requires appraisal management companies to check on all appraisals for accuracies. Unfortunately, appraisal management companies are taking 40 percent of the earnings from appraisals, which means they must work much harder to earn the same income. This has caused many of the veteran appraisers to leave the business. Rick knows an appraiser who has found a way to cope with HVCC and make his job more efficient. This appraiser only takes appraisals that are close to him, and he looks at the properties before he accepts it. If there is anything wrong with the property he is looking at, the appraiser will skip it.

People often think of the appraisal process as being easy, because now they can push a button on Zillow which gives an estimated home value. However, this is very inaccurate. It is very difficult to come up with an accurate appraisal. It is also difficult to make an appraisal which meets all the guidelines of the lender and the investor who the lender is selling to.

FHA significantly loosened their requirements in the early 2000s. FHA once had a 2-page checklist of everything you had to check for on a property. For example, if the crawl space under the house didn’t have 18 inches of clearance the house had to be fixed. If there was any chipped paint on the house it would need to be fixed. However, they will allow some things like dirty carpet. FHA will accept non-permitted home modifications just as long as there are no health hazards. However, many banks and underwriters will not accept that. If non-permitted additions add value to a house, then you are supposed to account for it in an appraisal. It is very difficult to find comparable houses for a house with non-permitted additions.

In the current market, if your house is in average condition, there is not much you can do on repairs which will add a significant amount of value to your house. However, if your house is in bad condition then you can get a decent return on the cost of repairs. Regardless of how much money you’ve spent rehabbing, appraisers will not adjust the price by any more than 10 percent.

Cost basis appraisals are no longer being used. No appraiser who spends half his day looking for land sales is going to come up with an accurate land value.

Bruce Norris brings up an example for when the cost based appraisal may be useful…

Bruce: “If you were making an offer on a custom home, and you wanted the lot value to be emerged from what a custom home would be once it is done, then that would be like a residual value. This could be used to prove to a lot owner that it was once worth x value, but once you subtract the costs and the appraisal then the lot will be worth x. ‘Is that a useful idea?’”

Rick: “Possibly.”

Rick has never done this kind of appraisal, but Bruce wants him to. If you can look at the comps and subtract the costs, then you will have the residual dirt value. Rick thinks that is so simple that you probably wouldn’t need an appraiser to do it.

Around 2006, people were concerned about buying homes with awkward floor plans. Currently, investors no longer seem to be concerned by this. This may be due to the fact that these types of homes represent the largest portion of the current “for sale” market. They are taking a price hit on those homes, but they are still able to make a profit.

Appraisers account for pool values using comps. For example, if an appraiser is looking at two homes that are very similar except for the fact that one has a pool and the other does not, then the pool value will be calculated by subtracting the value of the home without a pool from the value of the home with the pool. If the home without a pool has a value of $200,000, and the value of the home with a pool is $210,000, then the value of the pool is $10,000. The value of a pool can change dramatically depending on where you live. In some areas a pool adds little value to the home, but in other areas a pool can add a lot of value. Rick has noticed that pools typically add up to 0 to 5 percent of the house. Also, the value of a pool can change dramatically depending on what season you sell in. If you sell during a hot season, the pool will be more valuable.

The number of bedrooms within a house does not affect the price much. The square footage of a house is more important the number of rooms within it. Some families like two big bedrooms more than 3 small ones, and vice versa.

If you are appraising a property as an investor, avoid location problems. Stay away from atypical problems, especially problems that cannot be fixed. Old homes surrounded by new homes will not sell well, and dome home styles don’t sell well either.

Investors often make the mistake of assuming that an old remodeled home will sell for the same value as a new home in the same condition. Newer homes will always sell at a higher value.

Mello-roos homes can also be a detriment to home value. However, a lot of first time buyers do not always notice this difference.

For more information about The Norris Group’s California hard money loans or our California Trust Deed investments, visit the website or call our office at 951-780-5856 for more information. For upcoming California real estate investor training and events, visit The Norris Group website and our California investor calendar. You’ll also find our award-winning real estate radio show on KTIE 590am at 6pm on Saturdays or you can listen to over 170 podcasts in our free investor radio archive.

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175-TNG Radio – Bill Shipp 5-22-10

Friday, May 21st, 2010

 

Bill Shipp 

Bill Shipp, California Real estate Investor

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This week Bruce is joined by Bill Shipp. Bill has been investing in Riverside real estate for many years. Bruce thinks Bill is Riverside’s best kept secret.

Bill believes it is important to be true to your word when doing business. Bill has been working with his contractors for 10 years, and he has never had a bid on a home repair. These contractors know that if Bill hires them, they will get paid at the time he specifies. This is even more important than having people skills.

Bruce has taught many real estate investors. Some of them have great people skills, and that is what gets them business. There are also people that are trustworthy, and that is also attractive to business partners.

In the last segment, Bill said that he is willing to do his job every day, and that attitude has allowed him to accumulate a wealth of knowledge. Bill’s knowledge of his market place allows him to live in Utah while still making good investment decisions in Riverside.

Bill has never closed an escrow with a person in it, and he has never bought a house at the steps. Bill does not want to deal with those hassles. This is why he uses the MLS and agents who know what they are doing. Bill gets over 50 percent of the houses that he makes offers on, because his realtors know not to call him unless a home shows promise. Bill works regularly with two realtors, but he receives calls occasionally from other REO agents as well.

Bill has a specific skew number for the paint which he uses on all his houses. Because he uses the same paint for his houses, it is easier for him to calculate how much repairs will cost when buying a new home. This also makes it much simpler for his repair men, because they know exactly what to do for every new job.

Bill discourages investors from traveling to see their investments. Do it for the first two properties, so you can figure out how to do the job. After the second, you should know what kind of property is worth your time, and trust your contractor to do his job. Traveling to your investment homes will cost you money and time. Also, Bill suggests that investors not bring their wives. His wife always has minor problems with his investments, such as the amount of flowers in the yard.

The typical repair cost for Bill’s investment houses is $15,000 or less. However, he has had home repairs that cost $100,000. In the early 2000s, he bought older homes. The oldest home he ever bought was developed in 1828. The house was so old that the home began to dissolve when the repair man tried to pressure wash it. Bruce once bought a home in 1898. Bruce had a termite investor inspect the home, and the inspector told him that there were no termites because the wood was petrified.

Bill does not have a construction background, but he has learned some things about that trade over time. When you buy a lot of older homes, you have to be creative to find a style that people will want to buy. In the late 1980s, Bill only bought homes that were 5 to 10 years old and did not need work, but Bill now only works with fixers built before the 2000s. Bill does not like to compete with home owners. When you are flipping new homes, you are not creating value. Bill thinks that working in the trustee market requires too much work. This is what Bruce’s company does, and Bruce agrees that the trustee market is too much hassle for Bill’s business model.

When reselling a property, Bill uses the listing agent that found the home for him, and he only uses two agents to keep the process simple. Using a large number of agents makes it difficult to determine whether or not those agents are doing their jobs correctly.

When Bill is selling his properties, he tries to control the escrow, but he never controls which lender is used. Bill’s buyers are always cross checked with the lender. Bill’s agent will not tell him that he has an offer until the buyer has been cross checked, and until he can know if he will get a good offer.

Bill is constantly educating himself in real estate. He reads many books, he has attended Bruce’s seminars, and he has been trained as a certified financial planner. Bill believes that many people know how to make a lot of money, but they do not know how to spend it. People do not often plan for downturns in the market, and their lack of planning ruins their financial health.

In the early 1990s, Bill had 40 rentals. It took 8 years to get those homes sold, and it was very frustrating because the market kept going down.

Bill began investing in Texas during 1989. He bought homes for $10,000 each and he owned them free and clear, but he was receiving negative cashflow every month because of property taxes. Repairing one roof could wipe out your positive cashflow for a year. In the end, he only made money on one of those homes. Do not buy real estate in other cities and states if you do not know what you are doing.

In 1986 Bruce was asked to speak on a panel of real estate experts. There were two well known attorneys on the panel, and all of their claims regarding out-of-state property ownership contradicted Bruce’s practical experience. When Bruce asked those attorneys how they came to their conclusions, he discovered that they had no out-of-state investment experience and were relying on theoretical knowledge. When people come from other states and tell you to buy homes in their areas, be careful. Why would someone travel across the United States to encourage you to buy their property if they cannot even get the people from their own state to buy?

If there are more listings in a region than sells, you should be nervous. On the other hand, if there are more sells than listings, then you should be happy. This is all Bill looks at when predicting whether or not he should be investing. Bill does not pay much attention to economic forecasts. He only pays attention to Riverside’s market, so he does not have to worry about general market forecasts.

The best deal Bill ever had was a wholesale in Corona. The property sold in 2 weeks and he earned over $100,000. If you want to find deals, you need to be watching the market every day. You never know why a seller might want to get rid of their property quickly. An agent once called Bill and told him that the seller was offering five houses and two lots on one street. The seller was the chairman of a bank who had stock options which were about to expire. The banker needed the money for those properties quickly, so that he could buy his stock. This deal shows that you never know why and when a great deal is going to show up. Bruce once bought a house from an agent once who was getting into the plastic extrusion business. The agent needed to buy an extrusion machine for $10,000, so Bruce bought two of his homes for that amount.

Bill has been approached with bulk buying opportunities over the last few months. The people offering these bulk buy deals told Bill that they have had bulk buys in the past that sold quickly. When Bill asked for an example of one of these bulk deals, he never received a response and he still hasn’t. Bill received a bulk buy opportunity from a company in Los Angeles as well. Because the company seemed professional, Bill had his agent check out the properties. The agent discovered that all 20 of the properties for bulk sale were short sales.

Bruce will be a moderator for Fannie and Freddie in June. These companies are putting together bulk sale divisions, so perhaps bulk sale opportunities will be available in the future.

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