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230-TNG Radio – Mike Shedlock 6-18-11

Friday, June 17th, 2011

Mike Shedlock

Registered Investment Adviser Representative, Sitka Pacific Capital Management

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This week Bruce is joined by Mike Shedlock.  Mike is a registered investment advisor representative for Sitka Pacific Capital Management, and he also has a fantastic blog site called Mish’s Global Economic Trend Analysis.  In his blog he talks about oil interest rates, housing, the IMF, Europe, gold and silver, and anything going on in the market.

Even though times are a little tough right now to be an investment advisor, Mike’s work is going very well as he says that they have a neutral market and a cautious stance.  Their mission at Sitka Pacific is to avoid the next decline.  They had a positive year in 2008, even though hardly anyone else did.  Even without being net short they had a positive year.  They don’t bet on the market going down, but rather they try to go to the sidelines, find some things they like better than others, and have huge cash positions.  This is where they’re at today.  For the last year the stock market has gone up, and they have more or less been on the sidelines.  NASMP was up 12-15%, while they were only up 6%.  They don’t really like the risk award setup, as they believe that the odds are good that another recession is coming.  They think the recovery is not real and is only based off of fiscal stimulus both from Congress and monetary stimulus by quantitative easing from the Fed that’s not sustainable.  Both are coming to an end, and the Republican Congress does not want to have anything to do with larger deficit.  Therefore, the fiscal stimulus is going to end unless things get extremely nasty.  Global growth is slowing everywhere.  In Europe, Australia, China, and the U.S. people need to be extremely cautious in terms of what they expect out of the stock markets.

Most of Sitka’s clients are in a capital preservation mode, as is Sitka themselves.  The few that aren’t have left, but in the downturn they actually added to their client database significantly because Sitka missed the downturn but no one else did.  They are starting to see a lot of things come together all at once.  Commodities are back into a bubble; housing still has a further ways to go down, and they have already seen housing programs established.  These include Cash for Clunkers and the various stimulus packages in housing.  As soon as the tax credits for housing ended, housing prices went back down.  To work with this, Sitka delayed things for a year expecting that home prices are going to fall to where they’re going to get anyway.  Prices are going to fall until price meets genuine demand, not artificial demand coming from Congress.  The very best thing that Congress can do for the housing market is to do nothing.  They need to let prices fall, let foreclosures happen, and let prices get to where there is genuine demand.  It’s then we can find a bottom.  The more Congress tries to delay this, the longer and further off the bottom is going to be.

According to Mike, “Things don’t get where they’re going in a straight line.”  This has a lot to do with intervention, which doesn’t change the ultimate direction but rather the timeframe in which something happens.  This is why being an investment advisor is very difficult with unknown intervention.  There are a certain set of people, for example momentum traders, who expect someone to catch every move in the market, both up and down.  This is not something Sitka can do and most likely cannot be done at all, but this does not stop people from trying to do it or wanting to do it.  The population tends to chase whatever the latest and greatest thing is right before it’s ready to plunge.  This happened with housing in 2005, and it happened with the NASDAQ in 2000.  Some people who were hesitant about NASDAQ all the way up from 1996 to 1999 decided right in 2000 that they were wrong and that the productivity miracle from the internet was real and they should get in before it was too late.  Too many people think this is what makes the top.  They think this is what made the top in 2005 in the housing market.  People believed that home prices only had one way to go.  Everyone had bought in.  Even people who couldn’t afford a house bought one anyway.  There was no one left to buy.  The pool of greater fools finally ran out.  This is one thing you have to be weary of as an investor.  The mood of a market can definitely be opposite of the future direction.  Things change very quickly.  In the aforementioned situations, it changed on a dime.  When it happened with housing in 2005, people were camping out and entering lotteries for the right to buy a condo.  This is how crazy things were.

Another topic is deleveraging, which is inherently deflationary.  Deleveraging means to pay down debt, so by definition deleveraging is deflationary.  At the same time, it also depends on your definition of deflation and inflation.  To Mike, deflation is a decrease in money supply and credit from mark to market, so according to this definition deleveraging has to be deflationary.  However, if someone looks at things in terms of prices and they ignore home prices, for example, seeing the price of crude oil and thinking there’s nothing deflationary about it at all, then they’re not seeing the whole picture.  Crude is rising because of peak oil, because of massive monetary stimulus in China, and also because of some quantitative easing by the Fed.  It’s only the last that’s inflationary.  What’s really funny is people complain about the price of a hamburger going up from $3 to $4 and look at the inflation, but they’re failing to look at what’s more important: the price of a condo falling from $200,000 to $35,000, or a hamburger going from $3 to $4.  It’s irrelevant compared to the drop in home prices.  Paying down debt is one part of deleveraging, but defaulting is also a huge part of it in real estate.  This is really where the deleveraging is happening because the lenders are not getting paid the amount they have on the books.  This is where Mike’s mark to market play comes in when he defines deflation as a decrease in money supply and credit mark to market.  For the last year, the banks have gotten away with keeping absurd valuations on the value of their assets on the books.  As long as the asset values on the books were rising, the junk bond market was going up and various things were happening that were inflationary.  Mike doesn’t think the market is going to let the banks get away with it forever.  The National Accounting Board, the Fed, and the FDIC have interfered with and delayed regulations 2 and 3 times now for the last three years on mark to market rules and valuing things on the books.  They have kept things on the books at inflated values.  As long as they were able to get away with it, we’re probably going to see another big credit scare where banks are going to have to mark some of the debt they’re holding on their books back to market.  The value is going to plunge; the ability of banks to lend as a result of that will plunge.  This is why banks are not lending right now.  Banks are capital constraint and capital impaired, and there is few worthy credit borrowers that want to borrow.  This is the deflationary backdrop; and we also have a deleveraging deflationary backdrop.  In a sense, it’s really about attitudes.  It’s the willingness and ability of banks to lend and willingness and ability of consumers and businesses to borrow.

There has not been willingness for businesses to borrow.  If businesses were expanding, we would see it in the job market and in loans increasing. Instead, what we are seeing is the value of the debts going up on the balance sheets of banks.  However, banks are not really lending and the market has temporarily suspended mark to market sanity.  Instead, we have a mark to nonsense prices that have inflated the value of the stock market.  For now, Mike believes that asset prices are going to plunge, commodity prices are going to sink, and housing prices have a further ways to decline.  Everything, including stock prices and junk bond markets, is back in a bubble.

One thing that’s also happening is consumers are becoming willing participants in deleveraging intentionally.  They have access to credit then look around and don’t want it anymore.  A lot of this has to do with people trying to refinance their homes at a lower rate.  They have to bring money to the table to get that lower rate because banks require a 20% down payment.  If they’re 35% in the hole and banks want 20% down, then they have to bring in 15%.  We’re actually seeing cash-in refinancing now rather than cash-out refinancing in homes.  This is another part of the deleveraging process that is voluntary.  People are doing it so that they can receive a lower interest rate on their house.  One of the statistics happening now in Riverside they have never had before due to never having encumbered owners is 71% of the transactions are either short-sales or lender-owned properties.  This means that 71% of the sales do not reproduce a buyer in the marketplace.  Out of 1,000 sales, we have lost 710 buyers for a period of time, buy you still have 1,000 houses to move.  This is the big challenge for California in that you have a lot of houses that should be on the market that probably can’t be placed on the market because there is not really an owner-occupant buyer.  No one’s willing to give financing to investors.  For example, Fannie Mae is not doing it, and banks are not doing it.  In some extreme cases, someone wanted to put down 60% or 80% down, and they could not get the financing as it was just not available.  It’s possible some small local bank might give financing, but the big banks are not interested.  This should tell you how capital constrained they are and how stuffed to the gills they are with mortgage debt that they actually want to get rid of but don’t know how.  We also have some new rules that say the banks have to take 5% of the mortgage and keep that at risk on their balance sheets so they can’t securitize all of it.  Banks don’t want any part of this either, so we have had an attitude change on the part of buyers and on the part of the lenders.  Lenders don’t want to lend, and people are waiting for cheaper prices because they think they’re going down.  It’s the confluence of these two attitudes and willingness and ability of banks to lend and willingness and ability of businesses and consumers to borrow.  If you were a business, you would have no reason to expand in this kind of environment.  Any business who wants to expand here should be turned away as a poor credit risk because they don’t know what they’re doing.

One thing that needs to happen is we need to get rid of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.  In the short-term, real estate will be affected by the cost of obtaining a mortgage being raised above a specific amount.  The amount that Fannie Mae would be willing to finance is going to go down.  Anyone who wants to buy a home above that amount is now in a jumbo loan instead of in a regular loan, and a jumbo loan has a higher interest rate assuming they can obtain it at all.  Withdrawing Fannie and Freddie from the marketplace will result in downward pressure on real estate prices, which is actually a good thing.  The sooner the prices get to where they’re going, the better off we are.  If this means that 30-year mortgages completely vanish, this is a tremendous thing.  People should not be buying houses unless they have an expectation that they can pay it off in ten years.  Obviously not many people have been able to do this and not at the prices that homes were at in the market.  Fifteen years is a more reasonable timeframe.  Instead, at the peak of the insanity, we were going into 40-year mortgages, others 50 and 100.  If you need a 100 year mortgage to make something affordable, then it’s not affordable.  Mike also feels the same way about 30-year mortgages.  There should not be any reason for there to be mortgages longer than 15 years.  If someone wants a 30-year mortgage, maybe they need to pay a lot more because there is a lot more risk.  With 30-year mortgages, people are not paying the principle back fast enough, so in any downturn that comes there is going to be less equity and more likelihood for someone to walk away from it.  Someone who had to pay the house back sale over 12 years, not counting those who bought right at the tip of the bubble, would have some equity built up.  In fact, over the course of ten years they would have had their house paid off.

In regards to accessing the equity for business purposes, Mike would tell people not to do it.  People thought there was free money available.  They thought since the home prices went up they should take the money out and invest in the stock market.  Very influential people actually advised others and wrote books telling people to take money out of their houses and invest in foreign equities because they only go up.  It’s all part of when you leverage in this way the risk goes up.  With the price destruction we have had in California, at some point the price of houses will be so far below replacement costs that there is no way to pencil in new construction.  We will probably have a double-dip in some of the inventory types because of the lack of buyers and the quantity of inventory.    Mike wrote a post three years ago titled “Structurally high unemployment for a decade,” which talked about how eventually when we get to the lowest possible price level, the job market probably will not return.  We will have consistently high unemployment for a long time.  At the height of the housing boom, we were creating about 250,000 jobs a month.  At the height of the commercial real estate boom, which lagged and kept the economy going due to the subdivisions and strip malls being built, they were only averaging about 190,000 jobs a month.  Unfortunately, the commercial real estate is not coming back as we’re not going to have another boom or another housing build out like we did originally.  It takes 125,000 jobs a month to keep up with birth rate and immigration, so even if we did keep up with it, we’re going to have an unemployment rate at 8% all the way up until 2014.  The unemployment rate right now would be 12% except for all the people who dropped out of the work force.  They dropped out a faster rate than was thought, hence why unemployment is not making new highs right now.  It’s at 9.1% right now and 10.1% at its high.  We have added hardly any jobs since then, so now oddly we are heading into another recession with no telling where it’s going to go.  We may not even lose that many more jobs.  Housing is already trailing towards the bottom, so there’s not much to lose if we head back into another recession.  However, you can still expect to see the unemployment rate shoot back to 10%.

To hear more from Mike Shedlock, you can visit his website at globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com.  For a quick search, type Mish in Google.

For more information about The Norris Group’s California hard money loans or our California Trust Deed investments, visit the website or call our office at 951-780-5856 for more information. For upcoming California real estate investor training and events, visit The Norris Group website and our California investor calendar. You’ll also find our award-winning real estate radio show on KTIE 590am at 6pm on Saturdays or you can listen to over 170 podcasts in our free investor radio archive.

The Norris Group Real Estate News Roundup 1/24/11

Monday, January 24th, 2011

Today’s News Synopsis:

The CBIA reports total building permits issued during 2010 increased 23% from 2009. Statistics from Trulia show that owning a home is cheaper than renting one in 72% of the largest cities in the United States. Commercial property values rose 0.6% in November, according to Moody’s.

In The News:

Los Angeles Times“Estimate of mortgage interest tax deduction’s effect on federal deficit is lowered” (1-23-10)

“$88 billion less in revenue losses are now projected over the next three fiscal years — than the committee estimated early in 2010.”

CBIA - “It’s Official: 2010 is Second-lowest Year on Record for Homebuilding in California” (1-24-10)

“CBIA said just 44,601 permits were issued statewide last year for new homes, apartments, condominiums and townhomes, up 23 percent from 2009, but down 31 percent from 2008, which had held the distinction of the second-lowest total on record with 64,962 permits issued. Records began being kept in 1954 with the lowest yearly total set in 2009 with 36,421 permits issued.”

Inman - “Cheaper to buy than to rent in 72% of largest U.S. cities” (1-24-10)

“Despite the rising number of renters across the country, it is cheaper to buy a home rather than rent one in 72 percent of the 50 largest cities in the U.S., according to an index released by real estate search and marketing site Trulia.”

New York Times“Mortgage Giants Leave Legal Bills to the Taxpayers” (1-24-10)

“Since the government took over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, taxpayers have spent more than $160 million defending the mortgage finance companies and their former top executives in civil lawsuits accusing them of fraud.”

Housing Wire“Moody’s CPPI rose 0.6% for November, down 4.3% since May” (1-24-10)

“The price of commercial property rose 0.6% in November, marking the third-consecutive month of gains following sharp declines for the previous three months, according to Moody’s Investors Service.”

Housing Wire“Campbell Surveys: Strong distressed property sales bookend robo-signing debacle” (1-24-10)

“First-time homebuyer activity remained relatively strong last month, though still near historic lows, as purchasers rushed to close transactions before interest rates rise further, according to housing industry consultancy group Campbell Surveys. In December, the firm’s HousingPulse distressed property index shows these transactions make up 47.2% of the market, up from 44.5% in November and nearly matching the 47.5% peak reached in September.”

Housing Wire“JPMorgan: Annual homes sales must average 5.5 million to absorb liquidations” (1-24-10)

“JPMorgan Securities said existing home sales need to average about 5.5 million units a year to absorb a projected 2.25 million to 2.5 million in liquidations.”

Orange County Register – “Demand for O.C. homes jumps 10%” (1-24-10)

“Demand, the number of new pending sales over the prior month, increased by 10% in the past two weeks, adding an additional 194 homes, and now totals 2,154 pending sales. That’s virtually identical to 2009 when it posted 2,146. Last year, there were 393 additional pending sales, but everybody was poised to take advantage of the $8,000 first time home buyer tax. From here, expect demand to continue to improve as the market prepares to enter the spring market, the strongest time of the year for Orange County housing.”

For more information about The Norris Group’s California hard money loans or our California Trust Deed investments, visit the website or call our office at 951-780-5856 for more information. For upcoming California real estate investor training and events, visit The Norris Group website and our California investor calendar. You’ll also find our award-winning real estate radio show on KTIE 590am at 6pm on Saturdays or you can listen to over 170 podcasts in our free investor radio archive.

The Norris Group Real Estate News Roundup 12/03/10

Friday, December 3rd, 2010

Resources:
Foreclosure Freeze Chills Home Buying
Jobless claims continue bouncing around with 6.3% rise last week
Consumer confidence in Nov. hits 5-month high
Freddie Mac to suspend foreclosure evictions this holiday season
Fed made $9 trillion in emergency overnight loans
Fed data reveal wide scope of loan action during financial crisis
Fannie, Freddie Defend Foreclosures Amid Criticism

Today’s News Synopsis:

New Federal regulations on real estate appraisals have been released. FHA has chosen to leave the loan limit at $729,750 for 2011. Some builders are experiencing a 15 to 25 percent decrease in construction costs. The Bureau of Labor Statistics reports the unemployment rate increased to 9.8%.

In The News:

Wall Street Journal“Deficit Plan Fails to Win Panel Support” (12-3-10)

“The president’s U.S. deficit commission received the backing of a majority of its 18-strong panel, but fell short of the 14 votes needed to possibly trigger congressional votes on its recommendations.”

Housing Wire“Regulators set final guidance on appraisals” (12-3-10)

“Federal regulatory agencies released final guidance Thursday on how financial institutions will conduct real estate appraisals, the first nationwide update since 1994.”

Housing Wire“Nonfarm payrolls add 39,000 jobs in November,unemployment rate up to 9.8%” (12-3-10)

“Nonfarm payroll employment rose slightly last month but considerably lower than most analysts were projecting adding just 39,000 jobs, and the unemployment level increased to 9.8%. The Labor Department’s Bureau of Labor Statistics said employment in most industries changed little during November although temporary workers and the health care sectors continue to see jobs gains while retailing shed another 28,0000 jobs during the month.”

Housing Wire“FHA loan limit ceiling unchanged for 2011″ (12-3-10)

“The Federal Housing Administration released approved loan limits on mortgages it would insure in 2011, leaving the ceiling unchanged at $729,750. The Economic Stimulus Act of 2008 and the Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008 raised the FHA loan-limit ceiling to help stabilize a shaky housing market. The national floor remains unchanged as well at $271,050.”

Housing Wire“Bair wants mortgages modified to mitigate losses before starting foreclosure” (12-3-10)

“Bair said servicing agreements need to give servicers the authority to attempt to mitigate losses in a timely manner and modify loans to address reasonably foreseeable defaults before putting the mortgage into the foreclosure process.”

Bloomberg - “Toll Brothers Deposits Rise 10% as Mortgage Rates Increase, Chairman Says” (12-3-10)

“Toll Brothers Inc., the largest U.S. luxury-home builder, saw deposits increase 10 percent compared with a year earlier in the past two weeks as mortgage rates began to rise, Chairman Robert Toll said.”

Orange County Register“Builders benefit from cost savings” (12-3-10)

“Builders say construction costs are down 15 to 25 percent. That translates into an average cost of $100,000 to $140,000 for just the ‘sticks and bricks’ (without land) for a modest, 2,000-square-foot house.”

Realty Times“Let it Shine, It’s Not Just Paint Color That Counts” (12-3-10)

“Many new tract homes are painted using a flat paint. While that may look nice at first, it can be very difficult to clean and instead of wiping off walls, you may find you have to touch them up with paint more frequently. Thankfully there are some other paint finishes that look great and are a bit more durable and easy to clean. The eggshell and low-sheen finishes put off a higher shine but they seem to last longer, stay cleaner, and are all around easier to maintain.”

Looking Back:

One year ago, Fannie Mae increased its minimum borrower credit score to 620. According to Lender Processing Services, loans were deteriorating 3 times faster than they are being approved. The average interest rate for 30-year, fixed rate mortgages declined to 4.7%

For more information about The Norris Group’s California hard money loans or our California Trust Deed investments, visit the website or call our office at 951-780-5856 for more information. For upcoming California real estate investor training and events, visit The Norris Group website and our California investor event calendar. You’ll also find our award-winning real estate radio show on KTIE 590am at 6pm on Saturdays or you can listen to over 200 podcasts in our free investor radio archive.

The Norris Group Real Estate News Roundup 12/01/10

Wednesday, December 1st, 2010

Today’s News Synopsis:

Freddie Mac announced it will suspend foreclosure evictions from Dec. 20 to Jan. 3, 2011. Automatic Data Processing reports the U.S. economy added 93,000 private-sector jobs during November. The Federal Reserve shared information about more than 21,000 individual transactions which provided $3 trillion in liquidity for market stabilization. According to the MBA, mortgage applications decreased 16.5% last week.

In The News:

NAR - “Realtors® Say Mortgage Interest Deduction Vital to Home Ownership, Economy” (12-1-10)

“The tax deductibility of interest paid on mortgages is a powerful incentive for home ownership and has been one of the simplest provisions in the federal tax code for more than 80 years. In a new survey commissioned by NAR and conducted online in October 2010 by Harris Interactive of nearly 3,000 homeowners and renters, nearly three-fourths of homeowners and two-thirds of renters said the mortgage interest deduction was extremely or very important to them.”

Wall Street Journal“Deficit-Panel Chiefs Urge Tax, Spending Changes” (12-1-10)

“A 59-page proposal from the co-chairmen of the White House’s deficit-reduction commission, which they labeled ‘The Moment of Truth,’ calls for sweeping changes in how the country spends money and collects taxes, the starting point for a long debate about how to tackle the U.S. debt.”

Inman - “Move Inc. launches mortgage site” (12-1-10)

“Like other sites and services that enable consumers to shop for mortgages online, MortgageMatch.com employs an automated pricing engine that allows consumers to see the loan products and rates offered by multiple lenders.”

Mortgage Bankers Association“Refinance Activity Continues to Decline as Rates Rise in Latest MBA Weekly Survey” (12-1-10)

“The Mortgage Bankers Association (MBA) today released its Weekly Mortgage Applications Survey for the week ending November 26, 2010. The Market Composite Index, a measure of mortgage loan application volume, decreased 16.5 percent on a seasonally adjusted basis from one week earlier. This week’s results include an adjustment to account for the Thanksgiving holiday. On an unadjusted basis, the Index decreased 34.2 percent compared with the previous week.”

Mortgage Bankers Association“MBA: Commercial and Multifamily Mortgage Delinquency Rates Mixed in Third Quarter” (12-1-10)

“Delinquency rates for different commercial/multifamily mortgage investor groups were mixed in the third quarter, according to the Mortgage Bankers Association’s (MBA) Commercial/Multifamily Delinquency Report. The delinquency rate for loans held in CMBS is the highest since the series began in 1997. Delinquency rates for other groups remain below levels seen in the early 1990′s, some by large margins.”

Housing Wire“Freddie Mac to suspend foreclosure evictions this holiday season” (12-1-10)

“Freddie Mac will suspend foreclosure evictions from Dec. 20 to Jan. 3, 2011, the company announced Wednesday. Freddie Mac’s mortgage portfolio stands at $39.6 billion as of October, according to its monthly summary report. Its serious delinquency rate stood at 3.82% in October as well.”

Housing Wire“November employment increase largest in three years” (12-1-10)

“The U.S. economy added 93,000 private-sector jobs in November from the previous month, the largest gain in three years and a sign of a ‘brightening’ employment situation, according to the Automatic Data Processing report Wednesday. However, the improvement will not be enough to lower the unemployment rate, which according to ADP will likely remain above 9% for all of 2011.”

Housing Wire“Bair says more regulation needed to restore integrity of mortgage servicing” (12-1-10)

“Bair said the robo-signing scandal spawned from misaligned incentives in the servicing industry, and called on the Financial Stability Oversight Council to fill in the regulatory gaps left by the Dodd-Frank Act. Regulation is needed to track the title of a loan and to properly document the foreclosure process, she said.”

Housing Wire“Secret’s out: Federal Reserve reveals who got help in midst of financial crisis” (12-1-10)

“The Federal Reserve Board on Wednesday posted detailed information about more than 21,000 individual transactions that provided $3 trillion in liquidity to stabilize markets during the nation’s financial crisis.An analysis of the data by The Wall Street Journal showed Goldman Sachs used an emergency overnight loan program from the Fed 84 times for a total of nearly $600 billion. The Primary Dealer Credit Facility, announced in March 2008, was used 212 times by Morgan Stanley”

Bloomberg - “Fannie, Freddie Spar With Regulators on Foreclosures” (12-1-10)

“Acting Comptroller of the Currency John Walsh said in testimony prepared for a congressional hearing today that his agency is directing national bank servicers to suspend foreclosures for borrowers actively seeking to qualify for loan modifications.”

Looking Back:

One year ago, the NAR reported that pending home sales increased during October by 3.7 percent. The California Board of Equalization claimed that most homeowners would see a decline in property tax after a deflation of 0.237 percent.  According to Real Estate Econometrics LLC, the commercial mortgage default rate on loans held by U.S. banks increased to 3.4 percent in the third quarter of 09.

For more information about The Norris Group’s California hard money loans or our California Trust Deed investments, visit the website or call our office at 951-780-5856 for more information. For upcoming California real estate investor training and events, visit The Norris Group website and our California investor event calendar. You’ll also find our award-winning real estate radio show on KTIE 590am at 6pm on Saturdays or you can listen to over 200 podcasts in our free investor radio archive.

195-TNG Radio – I Survived Real Estate 2010 10-09-10

Friday, October 8th, 2010

I Survived Real Estate 2010

I Survived Real Estate 2010


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September 17th, 2010, The Norris Group returns with its award winning event I Survived Real Estate 2010. The video also now available on The Norris Group website.

The Norris Group has assembled an incredible line up of industry experts to discuss the state of REO from the inside. Topics will include regulatory intervention and aftermath, bulk buying, myths and facts, and opportunities emerging for real estate professionals. 100 percent of the proceeds support the Orange County affiliate of Susan G. Komen for the Cure. This event would not be possible without generous help from the following platinum partners: Foreclosure Radar and Sean O’Toole, the San Diego Creative Real Estate Investors Association and Bill Tan, Investors Workshops and Shawn Watkins and Angel Bronsgeest, Invest Club for Women and Iris Veneracion and Bobby Alexander, Claudia Buys Houses, The Business Press, Frye Wiles, MVT Productions, and White House Catering.

This week The Norris Group Real Estate Radio Show is broadcasting I Survived Real Estate 2010.

We are in a bond bubble. This is what concerns Thornberg the most right now. We had a recent GDP revision. Savings rates are close to where they should be. Employment is flat, but incomes are growing. The panic over a double dip this summer was ridiculous. We are on a path to recovery, but we have created so much fear that we now have a bond bubble. We have ridiculously low rates. The spreads between returns on equities and returns on bonds have never been this wide. Either equities are severely underpriced or bonds are severely overpriced. Thornberg believes the bonds are overpriced, and eventually people will figure that out. If rates shoot up quickly, then we will have a big problem.

Real estate affordability is incredible right now. If interest rates went up to normal levels then affordability would go back to normal levels as well. Interest rates could spike from inflation, fears over the federal deficit, or if a sovereign debt crisis in Europe causes risk rates to increase. The problem is that we are relying too much on low interest rates right now.

Joseph Magdziarz spoke next. Despite the problems Joseph’s industry has had with appraisal companies, his industry has experienced growth. Appraisers had some success with getting legislation passed, such as bill 4173. When October 18th passes, AMCs will have to pay appraisers reasonable fees. Traditionally, when the AMCs have been used, they took all the money from the appraisers. Not all AMCs are bad, but some of them took advantage of people. AMCs were a risk to consumers, because consumers weren’t receiving the best appraisers.

When Joseph is asked to appear before congress, they usually have specific issues they want addressed. These issues are usually related to consumers.

Sean O’Toole was asked to give his perspective on whether or not we’ve done a good job of solving the real estate problem. The Fed has kept a balance sheet on the U.S. and it’s households. We went from $4.5 trillion of mortgage debt in the year 2,000 to $10.5 trillion at the peak. If you look at the number of new homes added, and the increases in income, we should not have gone about $6.5 trillion. That means there is $4 trillion in excess mortgage debt. Sean believes that in the best case, we have only dealt with $0.5 trillion of that excess debt. We have a long way to go before real estate is healthy again.

Sean wrote an article called Foreclosure Roulette: A Game of Extend and Pretend. Sean does not believe that the current levels of REO inventory accurately reflect the delinquency levels. We had foreclosures moving equally with delinquencies until 2008. That was when Paulson said that we shouldn’t force banks to sell these assets in distressed markets.

Currently, our REO statistics do not mean a lot. We have been bouncing around in a range that has nothing to do with delinquencies. The FDIC has loosened up on forcing lenders to get bad assets off their books. Since we changed these rules, foreclosures have stalled.

The treasury has admitted that their strategy for dealing with foreclosures was to not allow them to come out at once. They wanted to slow the process down. A new program is coming out in Fall, which will incentivize banks to write down principals on mortgages. That may have some success. Thornberg believes there will be 3 to 4 million foreclosures coming out. Sean O’Toole believes there will be more than 4 million.

Sean believes these new programs are causing problems. These programs are meant to continue the “extend and pretend” strategy. The government is telling us “hold on, we have HAMP to solve the problem”. HAMP had design flaws from the beginning, and Sean does not believe it was intended to be successful. The government then came out and said, “Hold on, we have HAFA”. HAFA also had design flaws. It was not intended to be successful. Sean will not be fooled by HAMP’s new principal balance reduction. Fannie Mae claimed it would damage people that strategically default.

The average foreclosure in California is $150,000 dollars upside down on a $250,000 house by the time it reaches the courthouse steps. The banks and the government do not want people making the right decision for themselves by walking away. This is why Fannie Mae recently encouraged banks to push through foreclosures. The banks are not actually going to push through foreclosures, but they want people to think they will, so that they won’t strategically default.

Tommy Williams does not understand how we can give principal reductions to people who were irresponsible, but give nothing to the people who were responsible. This will not work in a capitalistic society. Tommy believes that Bruce’s idea was fantastic. Right now, the average American can afford a $150,000 home. However, people are trying to sell their home for over $300,000. All the mortgages in the United States that were selling for over $300,000 equate for 5% of the market. Right now, they are still selling homes for above affordable rates, and they are building homes that are still too big.

After 1992, we built 75% of what we needed for our population growth. The biggest problem is that we’ve been building big homes in the Inland Empire, but what we really need is lower rent apartments closer to urban areas. We are going to need more housing in 2011 and 2012, but not bigger homes. If builders still to smaller town houses, then they could make a living. However, if they do that, the builders will have to deal with zoning boards, local governments who are cashed strapped who want you to fix their streets, sewers, power lines and their pensions.

In 2008, there was very little capital available for commercial properties and there was little liquidity. In 2009, some of those capital sources started coming back. We have more capital available to us today, than we have had over the last 2 years. The problem is that many properties do not qualify for financing. Some properties have leasing issues, and no one will finance those. Most of those nonperforming properties are still in the hands of the owners. The banks will not foreclose on those properties, because they do not have the ability to write those properties down. We are starting to see the banks make progress now, because the Fed is giving the banks 0% interest rates on loans. The 0% interest allows the banks to make a small profit, which allows them to then foreclose on those properties. Dealing with this extended process is going to take even longer, because no one is putting a gun to the banks’ heads.

In the 90s, the rules were different. The FDIC forced lenders to give a notice of default if someone is 100 days delinquent.

In 2012, many commercial maturities will come due. A lot of that debt is from commercial mortgage backed securities. That debt is being held by bond holders. That debt will not be refinanced. A lot of non-refinancable loans are being pushed out for 2 years. CMBS is coming back, but values are not coming back. In 2006 -2007, we made 80% loans on an inflated value. Those properties may be 60 to 70% of what it was in 2007, but it still has a loan worth 110% to value. Just because we have money available to refinance doesn’t mean we can, because we don’t have the values we need.

Thornberg believes that if the people who own this debt just “close their eyes and hold their nose” until 2014, then they will be ok. Daniel says that is just the game that these debt holders are hoping on, but it may not work.

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